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		<title>By: Diamond Heavy Haul</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>Diamond Heavy Haul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;found your site on del.icio.us today and really liked it.. i bookmarked it and will be back to check it out some more later ..&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the problem Beane had with the book was that other GMs read it and started evaluating the same things he did. They may not make the same moves, but being able to apply similar analysis and make an informed decision about it makes a big difference (Beane couldn&#039;t blindside people any more). I doubt he worried about GMs taking offense ... he&#039;s still very highly respected by other GMs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I saw that bit about Lohse. I think that&#039;s pretty good for the Cardinals. That seems like a considerably better signing than Livan (similar or better performance, less money). Not that I would have touched Lohse with a 10 foot clown pole.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem Beane had with the book was that other GMs read it and started evaluating the same things he did. They may not make the same moves, but being able to apply similar analysis and make an informed decision about it makes a big difference (Beane couldn&#8217;t blindside people any more). I doubt he worried about GMs taking offense &#8230; he&#8217;s still very highly respected by other GMs.</p>

<p>I saw that bit about Lohse. I think that&#8217;s pretty good for the Cardinals. That seems like a considerably better signing than Livan (similar or better performance, less money). Not that I would have touched Lohse with a 10 foot clown pole.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Texas</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly, I think Billy Beane enjoyed the original back slapping he got, but as soon as people started reading the book they took offense to him using GM&#039;s the way he did, oh well. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On a tangential note: It looks like Kyle Lohse signed with the Cardinals... one year 4.25 mil to be a sucky 3 or 4, awesome!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, I think Billy Beane enjoyed the original back slapping he got, but as soon as people started reading the book they took offense to him using GM&#8217;s the way he did, oh well. </p>

<p>On a tangential note: It looks like Kyle Lohse signed with the Cardinals&#8230; one year 4.25 mil to be a sucky 3 or 4, awesome!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think Brown&#039;s retirement is any kind of big deal at all. Most first round picks never make it in the big leagues. And something to remember about Moneyball is that it was written by a third party, and was never endorsed by Beane or the A&#039;s. It&#039;s not like they said &quot;Brown will prove that we&#039;re totally right about this!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also ... if I were in Oakland I&#039;d be pretty pissed off about that book. Beating the market and exploiting market deficiencies works best when you&#039;re the only person doing it. After the book was released, there was basically know chance that Oakland&#039;s &quot;Moneyball&quot; strategy would work any more. That market deficiency would quickly disappear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Brown&#8217;s retirement is any kind of big deal at all. Most first round picks never make it in the big leagues. And something to remember about Moneyball is that it was written by a third party, and was never endorsed by Beane or the A&#8217;s. It&#8217;s not like they said &#8220;Brown will prove that we&#8217;re totally right about this!&#8221;</p>

<p>Also &#8230; if I were in Oakland I&#8217;d be pretty pissed off about that book. Beating the market and exploiting market deficiencies works best when you&#8217;re the only person doing it. After the book was released, there was basically know chance that Oakland&#8217;s &#8220;Moneyball&#8221; strategy would work any more. That market deficiency would quickly disappear.</p>

<p>Oh well.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Texas</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well Brown retired of his own volition. He hasn&#039;t been the success story that he was made out to be in the book, but he wasn&#039;t a complete failure either (at least when you consider that a good chunk of #1&#039;s don&#039;t see the major league level either). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree that this is an AL-only concept. I also am advocating waiting to get rid of Nathan until some closer goes down this year or at the deadline. You obviously don&#039;t trade him now just for the sake of trading him. Especially if by some stroke of luck you find yourself contending at the All-Star break.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Brown retired of his own volition. He hasn&#8217;t been the success story that he was made out to be in the book, but he wasn&#8217;t a complete failure either (at least when you consider that a good chunk of #1&#8217;s don&#8217;t see the major league level either). </p>

<p>I agree that this is an AL-only concept. I also am advocating waiting to get rid of Nathan until some closer goes down this year or at the deadline. You obviously don&#8217;t trade him now just for the sake of trading him. Especially if by some stroke of luck you find yourself contending at the All-Star break.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>FunBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve read Moneyball and it is totally an AL book.  I agree not to waste outs, so why is Punto even on our bench?  I think moneyball is an extreme. A good point was made about Jeremy Brown retiring. He was a player who Beane was in love with, drafted in the first round only for OPB and it turns out he was a terrible player. So we need to look at more than OBP. Like get on base, but hit wel. OPS. So basically Nick Punto should be killed. So whoever defends his defense as making up for is inability to put the bat on the ball is dumb. Defense is important, but not important enough to disregard offense.  You have to be in between hardcore stat people, and scout type people.  Yes, closers are a bit overrated but we can&#039;t trade the strongest part of a weak team. At least now.  I do like Mauer batting leadoff, but I might swap Morneau and Cuddyer.  However, at this point in time i don&#039;t agree with gardy in terms of anything he has proposed either on the radio or in the paper.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Moneyball and it is totally an AL book.  I agree not to waste outs, so why is Punto even on our bench?  I think moneyball is an extreme. A good point was made about Jeremy Brown retiring. He was a player who Beane was in love with, drafted in the first round only for OPB and it turns out he was a terrible player. So we need to look at more than OBP. Like get on base, but hit wel. OPS. So basically Nick Punto should be killed. So whoever defends his defense as making up for is inability to put the bat on the ball is dumb. Defense is important, but not important enough to disregard offense.  You have to be in between hardcore stat people, and scout type people.  Yes, closers are a bit overrated but we can&#8217;t trade the strongest part of a weak team. At least now.  I do like Mauer batting leadoff, but I might swap Morneau and Cuddyer.  However, at this point in time i don&#8217;t agree with gardy in terms of anything he has proposed either on the radio or in the paper.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They&#039;ve stopped having Watkins learn to be a catcher, since it&#039;s been wearing him out. I doubt he beats Buscher for the last spot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Span&#039;s starting to hit AAA after seeing the pitchers multiple times ... that&#039;s a positive sign. It shows he can learn and adapt at the plate, which is a sign of a maturing hitter.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is it a knock against Joe Mauer that he gets better against most pitchers after he&#039;s seen them a few times? Or Barry Bonds? Or Alex Rodriguez? Or ... any hitter in the majors? Of course not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Other than the fact that we don&#039;t have &lt;i&gt;quite&lt;/i&gt; enough players (we could use an upgrade offensively up the middle), I don&#039;t see why it&#039;s a foregone conclusion that this lineup simply cannot contend:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mauer
Young
Morneau
Cuddyer
Kubel
Harris
Lamb
Span
Everett&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And yes, that&#039;s my proposed batting order. The way I see it, OBP goes at the top, the best hitters are front-loaded (giving them 50-70 more ABs over the course of the season), the DelBat is between the M&amp;M boys, and we have the LRLR thing all the way through.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Giving Mauer/Young/Morneau 50-70 more at bats per season &lt;i&gt;each&lt;/i&gt; seems like it&#039;d be worth more runs than sticking Span/Punto at the top of the lineup just so Gardy feels &quot;conventional.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve stopped having Watkins learn to be a catcher, since it&#8217;s been wearing him out. I doubt he beats Buscher for the last spot.</p>

<p>If Span&#8217;s starting to hit AAA after seeing the pitchers multiple times &#8230; that&#8217;s a positive sign. It shows he can learn and adapt at the plate, which is a sign of a maturing hitter.</p>

<p>Is it a knock against Joe Mauer that he gets better against most pitchers after he&#8217;s seen them a few times? Or Barry Bonds? Or Alex Rodriguez? Or &#8230; any hitter in the majors? Of course not.</p>

<p>Other than the fact that we don&#8217;t have <i>quite</i> enough players (we could use an upgrade offensively up the middle), I don&#8217;t see why it&#8217;s a foregone conclusion that this lineup simply cannot contend:</p>

<p>Mauer
Young
Morneau
Cuddyer
Kubel
Harris
Lamb
Span
Everett</p>

<p>And yes, that&#8217;s my proposed batting order. The way I see it, OBP goes at the top, the best hitters are front-loaded (giving them 50-70 more ABs over the course of the season), the DelBat is between the M&amp;M boys, and we have the LRLR thing all the way through.</p>

<p>Giving Mauer/Young/Morneau 50-70 more at bats per season <i>each</i> seems like it&#8217;d be worth more runs than sticking Span/Punto at the top of the lineup just so Gardy feels &#8220;conventional.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sirsean-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I see your point on Span, however the kid has been nothing but a headache and done nothing to deserve a spot on the big league roster. Aside from hit some AAA pitchers well after multiple cracks at them.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I see your point on Span, however the kid has been nothing but a headache and done nothing to deserve a spot on the big league roster. Aside from hit some AAA pitchers well after multiple cracks at them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Texas</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/03/12/call-him-ace/comment-page-1/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting thoughts! I highly recommend you guys reading Moneyball, great, pretty quick read.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think confidence is something that is relative (while you feel confident with Nathan on the mound I have less confidence in him now). We&#039;ll have to respectfully disagree on relievers. I actually prefer a committee (whomever is throwing the ball well) to close out games.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a side note I don&#039;t mean to imply that anybody who can throw a baseball can close out a game. Obviously there is something about the person (either a funky delivery, fast as hell, wicked cutter, something) that makes them unhittable for an extended period of time. What I am trying to say is that paying for that commodity is unacceptable for a low payroll ball club because any pitching heavy organization will have several people in the organization able to fill that role. In other words, buy low and sell high (which is what I think the Twins will do with Nathan this year)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I go back and forth on the CF issue. One thing I am certain of is that this is not going to be a year that we will be in serious contention and with the way we are setup I prefer not to lose a year of Gomez.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As far as Casilla is concerned I would actually like to see him up with the big club, but only if he is playing everyday. The way it looks, he won&#039;t and therefore should be in AAA hopefully playing SS. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What about Watkins as the backup? He&#039;s learning how to C, and we know how much Gardy loves third catchers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I see it
1B- Morneau
2B- Harris (assuming Gardy pulls his head out of his ass)
SS- Everett
3B- Lamb
LF- Young
CF- Pridie or Span (but not both)
RF- Cuddyer
DH- Kubel
C- Mauer
C- Redmond
OF/DH- Monroe
IF- Punto
IF- ????    Either Watkins or Buscher (leaning towards Buscher)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts! I highly recommend you guys reading Moneyball, great, pretty quick read.</p>

<p>I think confidence is something that is relative (while you feel confident with Nathan on the mound I have less confidence in him now). We&#8217;ll have to respectfully disagree on relievers. I actually prefer a committee (whomever is throwing the ball well) to close out games.</p>

<p>As a side note I don&#8217;t mean to imply that anybody who can throw a baseball can close out a game. Obviously there is something about the person (either a funky delivery, fast as hell, wicked cutter, something) that makes them unhittable for an extended period of time. What I am trying to say is that paying for that commodity is unacceptable for a low payroll ball club because any pitching heavy organization will have several people in the organization able to fill that role. In other words, buy low and sell high (which is what I think the Twins will do with Nathan this year)</p>

<p>I go back and forth on the CF issue. One thing I am certain of is that this is not going to be a year that we will be in serious contention and with the way we are setup I prefer not to lose a year of Gomez.</p>

<p>As far as Casilla is concerned I would actually like to see him up with the big club, but only if he is playing everyday. The way it looks, he won&#8217;t and therefore should be in AAA hopefully playing SS. </p>

<p>What about Watkins as the backup? He&#8217;s learning how to C, and we know how much Gardy loves third catchers.</p>

<p>As I see it
1B- Morneau
2B- Harris (assuming Gardy pulls his head out of his ass)
SS- Everett
3B- Lamb
LF- Young
CF- Pridie or Span (but not both)
RF- Cuddyer
DH- Kubel
C- Mauer
C- Redmond
OF/DH- Monroe
IF- Punto
IF- ????    Either Watkins or Buscher (leaning towards Buscher)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m a bit more hopeful than that ... I think it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; that the Twins can contend this year against the giants of the division. And I&#039;d rather think about that possibility (and how it could happen) than to bemoan the &quot;fact&quot; that we suck. But that&#039;s just me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said ... I&#039;m not sold that Pridie is the best option for CF right now. (Although he can&#039;t really pretend to be the &quot;leadoff hitter&quot; Gardy wants, possibly forcing him to do something that&#039;s actually unconventional and use Mauer in the leadoff spot.) My stance on that is that Gomez should start the year in AAA, and the starter in CF should be either Span or Pridie (assuming we don&#039;t do anything smart like signing Lofton), whoever wins the position outright. I&#039;d prefer that it&#039;s Span.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Before you have to crap ... let me explain. I don&#039;t mind wasting Span in case he fails, but I feel like it&#039;s about time he got a shot at seeing big league opposition. If he does well, we have a nice trading chip we can use at the deadline or after the season (whenever we want to make Gomez the guy). If he craps out, big deal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And I think Pridie needs to be groomed to replace Monroe as the 4th OF. But really, we&#039;re getting too far ahead of ourselves. The 2008 season starts in under three weeks ... but it&#039;s not yet time to talk about 2009!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And I&#039;m glad you&#039;re liking it more than the strib. I had to stop going there after a while. Just couldn&#039;t take it any more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit more hopeful than that &#8230; I think it&#8217;s <i>possible</i> that the Twins can contend this year against the giants of the division. And I&#8217;d rather think about that possibility (and how it could happen) than to bemoan the &#8220;fact&#8221; that we suck. But that&#8217;s just me.</p>

<p>That said &#8230; I&#8217;m not sold that Pridie is the best option for CF right now. (Although he can&#8217;t really pretend to be the &#8220;leadoff hitter&#8221; Gardy wants, possibly forcing him to do something that&#8217;s actually unconventional and use Mauer in the leadoff spot.) My stance on that is that Gomez should start the year in AAA, and the starter in CF should be either Span or Pridie (assuming we don&#8217;t do anything smart like signing Lofton), whoever wins the position outright. I&#8217;d prefer that it&#8217;s Span.</p>

<p>Before you have to crap &#8230; let me explain. I don&#8217;t mind wasting Span in case he fails, but I feel like it&#8217;s about time he got a shot at seeing big league opposition. If he does well, we have a nice trading chip we can use at the deadline or after the season (whenever we want to make Gomez the guy). If he craps out, big deal.</p>

<p>And I think Pridie needs to be groomed to replace Monroe as the 4th OF. But really, we&#8217;re getting too far ahead of ourselves. The 2008 season starts in under three weeks &#8230; but it&#8217;s not yet time to talk about 2009!</p>

<p>And I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re liking it more than the strib. I had to stop going there after a while. Just couldn&#8217;t take it any more.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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