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		<title>By: Pink Baseball Bat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pink Baseball Bat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I ended up here while searching for Pink Baseball Bat? Why? Beats me ask the search engine but anyhow I enjoyed reading your blog, thx for the info!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Small Business Loans For A Tea Room</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You got a nice post on . Really very nice to read and useful, thanks for the nice share.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/24/gardy-actively-trying-to-destroy-delmon-young/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I certainly got a little carried away yesterday (and made a couple of mistakes to remind me that I shouldn&#039;t try to do that at work).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re spot on about the &quot;pink hat&quot; phenomenon and that being what makes a team the most money. There&#039;s only so much money you can extract from your hardcore fanbase, but if you can get a big bandwagon crowd, the sky&#039;s the limit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I don&#039;t think the Nathan signing was a marketing decision. A closer isn&#039;t as marketable as a starting pitcher or a position player. I think it was a baseball decision, based on an assessment of our bullpen and the fact that Nathan was the only one of the three who was actually willing to negotiate with the team and sign a deal that was at least a little team-friendly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(I&#039;m going to cut this post &quot;short&quot; now, and I&#039;m going to work a little harder not to get so heated up. Thanks for showing up, everyone!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly got a little carried away yesterday (and made a couple of mistakes to remind me that I shouldn&#8217;t try to do that at work).</p>

<p>I think you&#8217;re spot on about the &#8220;pink hat&#8221; phenomenon and that being what makes a team the most money. There&#8217;s only so much money you can extract from your hardcore fanbase, but if you can get a big bandwagon crowd, the sky&#8217;s the limit.</p>

<p>But I don&#8217;t think the Nathan signing was a marketing decision. A closer isn&#8217;t as marketable as a starting pitcher or a position player. I think it was a baseball decision, based on an assessment of our bullpen and the fact that Nathan was the only one of the three who was actually willing to negotiate with the team and sign a deal that was at least a little team-friendly.</p>

<p>(I&#8217;m going to cut this post &#8220;short&#8221; now, and I&#8217;m going to work a little harder not to get so heated up. Thanks for showing up, everyone!)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Ganderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ganderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &#039;marketing of the team&#039; issue is one that&#039;s come up peripherally here; and I think those of us who post on these websites tend (IMHO) to not have a feeling for that aspect of running a franchise. I know that I see the Twins in person about 10 or so times per year- since I don&#039;t live in the Twin Cities it&#039;s usually a couple times at the Dome and mostly in other venues- How many games do the rest of you see?- I know that the teams&#039; revenue stream is more than tix sales; it seems to me though that the really successful teams are ones that get the &#039;pink hats&#039; and the band-wagonners to go to the park. I&#039;ve lived in MA for almost 20 years- when I first moved here the Sox were a very successful club on the field, and I&#039;m sure they made money, but at that time it was still possible to make a game day decision to go to Fenway. Now you can&#039;t.(The Fenway experience is HIGHLY overrated BTW).  There are more baseball fans in New England than the Upper Midwest, I guess but the vast majority here are Sox fans, not baseball fans. The marketing of the Sox is a great success story, made easier by two world championships to be sure, but a success nonetheless. Could the Twins do the same? My feeling the marketing guys do OK, and the baseball guys have done better of late- remember the 90&#039;s? To bring this around to the discussion at hand, perhaps the Twins felt that they afford (marketing wise) to lose two of the Nathan, Santana, Hunter troika, but not all three- Hunter I won&#039;t miss at all, and while my instinct is to wish that something better came back in return for Santana- we have no way of knowing what was really on the table- I was looking forward to seeing Ellsbury in center, but perhaps that was never a realistic offer. (Whew- I got carried away, I guess, sorry)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;marketing of the team&#8217; issue is one that&#8217;s come up peripherally here; and I think those of us who post on these websites tend (IMHO) to not have a feeling for that aspect of running a franchise. I know that I see the Twins in person about 10 or so times per year- since I don&#8217;t live in the Twin Cities it&#8217;s usually a couple times at the Dome and mostly in other venues- How many games do the rest of you see?- I know that the teams&#8217; revenue stream is more than tix sales; it seems to me though that the really successful teams are ones that get the &#8216;pink hats&#8217; and the band-wagonners to go to the park. I&#8217;ve lived in MA for almost 20 years- when I first moved here the Sox were a very successful club on the field, and I&#8217;m sure they made money, but at that time it was still possible to make a game day decision to go to Fenway. Now you can&#8217;t.(The Fenway experience is HIGHLY overrated BTW).  There are more baseball fans in New England than the Upper Midwest, I guess but the vast majority here are Sox fans, not baseball fans. The marketing of the Sox is a great success story, made easier by two world championships to be sure, but a success nonetheless. Could the Twins do the same? My feeling the marketing guys do OK, and the baseball guys have done better of late- remember the 90&#8217;s? To bring this around to the discussion at hand, perhaps the Twins felt that they afford (marketing wise) to lose two of the Nathan, Santana, Hunter troika, but not all three- Hunter I won&#8217;t miss at all, and while my instinct is to wish that something better came back in return for Santana- we have no way of knowing what was really on the table- I was looking forward to seeing Ellsbury in center, but perhaps that was never a realistic offer. (Whew- I got carried away, I guess, sorry)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, if you do search for it you won&#039;t find it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Okay, I guess if you&#039;ve been brainwashed to think the Twins couldn&#039;t &quot;afford&quot; Santana, then go ahead. And an additional five years isn&#039;t absurdly long. And I didn&#039;t say that Santana is worth $20M in jersey sales, but he is worth more overall than Nathan, in many aspects.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that you agree to waste $9 million on Craig Monroe and Livan Hernandez is moronic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And I don&#039;t read the Strib, and especially not Reusse.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, I don&#039;t think everyone in the Twins&#039; organization is an idiot, but there is some obvious incompetence.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you do search for it you won&#8217;t find it. </p>

<p>Okay, I guess if you&#8217;ve been brainwashed to think the Twins couldn&#8217;t &#8220;afford&#8221; Santana, then go ahead. And an additional five years isn&#8217;t absurdly long. And I didn&#8217;t say that Santana is worth $20M in jersey sales, but he is worth more overall than Nathan, in many aspects.</p>

<p>The fact that you agree to waste $9 million on Craig Monroe and Livan Hernandez is moronic.</p>

<p>And I don&#8217;t read the Strib, and especially not Reusse.</p>

<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think everyone in the Twins&#8217; organization is an idiot, but there is some obvious incompetence.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I still believe we did not choose Nathan over Santana. Johan didn&#039;t want to stay here, he wanted to play in a large market. Which is fine. To each his own. His per year salary for the Mets is roughly what our last ditch effort offering was. So, keeping him wasn&#039;t an option, at least not long term. Sure, we could have kept him for 2007, and hope he changed his mind about staying. That is too much risk for me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, can we get back to the topic of the twins organizational policy on developing hitters?  Not Carl Pohlad is a cheap SOB who won&#039;t buy me good players?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still believe we did not choose Nathan over Santana. Johan didn&#8217;t want to stay here, he wanted to play in a large market. Which is fine. To each his own. His per year salary for the Mets is roughly what our last ditch effort offering was. So, keeping him wasn&#8217;t an option, at least not long term. Sure, we could have kept him for 2007, and hope he changed his mind about staying. That is too much risk for me.</p>

<p>Now, can we get back to the topic of the twins organizational policy on developing hitters?  Not Carl Pohlad is a cheap SOB who won&#8217;t buy me good players?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah. I even searched for that to see if I accidentally typed &quot;Nathan&quot; when I meant &quot;Santana&quot; and I didn&#039;t find that. Oops.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not going to go back and quote the dozen times I&#039;ve said that Santana&#039;s more valuable than Nathan. It seems pointless.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And yes, the same argument can be made about Nathan. And both contracts were market value for their skills. But there&#039;s one major difference: The Twins could afford Nathan&#039;s contract, and he didn&#039;t demand an absurdly long deal that makes it extremely unlikely that it comes out well for the team in the end. Santana was out of the price range and wanted too many years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you really think the difference between having Santana and not having Santana is worth $20M in jersey sales? In Minnesota? He&#039;s worth that if you&#039;re in a huge market with a huge fanbase. We don&#039;t have that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that you guys are so willing to spend hundreds of millions of someone else&#039;s dollars is pretty absurd. And that you seem to think that everyone in the Twins organization is a complete idiot is, too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Me, I think you&#039;ve been reading too much Reusse. He&#039;s rubbing off on you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Homer Simpson, though, would probably agree. &quot;That&#039;s why everybody does everything. Because they&#039;re STUPID!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. I even searched for that to see if I accidentally typed &#8220;Nathan&#8221; when I meant &#8220;Santana&#8221; and I didn&#8217;t find that. Oops.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not going to go back and quote the dozen times I&#8217;ve said that Santana&#8217;s more valuable than Nathan. It seems pointless.</p>

<p>And yes, the same argument can be made about Nathan. And both contracts were market value for their skills. But there&#8217;s one major difference: The Twins could afford Nathan&#8217;s contract, and he didn&#8217;t demand an absurdly long deal that makes it extremely unlikely that it comes out well for the team in the end. Santana was out of the price range and wanted too many years.</p>

<p>Do you really think the difference between having Santana and not having Santana is worth $20M in jersey sales? In Minnesota? He&#8217;s worth that if you&#8217;re in a huge market with a huge fanbase. We don&#8217;t have that.</p>

<p>The fact that you guys are so willing to spend hundreds of millions of someone else&#8217;s dollars is pretty absurd. And that you seem to think that everyone in the Twins organization is a complete idiot is, too.</p>

<p>Me, I think you&#8217;ve been reading too much Reusse. He&#8217;s rubbing off on you.</p>

<p>Homer Simpson, though, would probably agree. &#8220;That&#8217;s why everybody does everything. Because they&#8217;re STUPID!&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But like I&#039;ve said about Monroe, why are you paying someone nearly $4 million to sit on the bench when you&#039;re operating on a $56 million payroll. That is absolute idiocy defined.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But like I&#8217;ve said about Monroe, why are you paying someone nearly $4 million to sit on the bench when you&#8217;re operating on a $56 million payroll. That is absolute idiocy defined.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Look, given the choice between Santana or Nathan, everyone takes Nathan.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s exactly what you said. First line of five posts up. Maybe you meant to say everyone takes Santana.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And you haven&#039;t really been arguing that Santana is a lot more valuable than Nathan, I have. Read your previous posts. You don&#039;t say that anywhere. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Signing Santana would have raised the payroll pretty significantly, tying a huge percentage into one player who plays every five days and plays a position which has a huge injury risk, and it would have had exactly ZERO positive impact on the team — I say that because Santana would not have pitched better once he got the big contract. He’d be exactly the same pitcher.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can&#039;t the exact same argument be made against Nathan? His salary is taking up one-fifth of the payroll this year, and a significant portion of it for the next three seasons. He&#039;s also a guy that will pitch about a third less innings than Santana. And how can you say that Santana would have zero positive impact on the team? Zero? Think about that. He&#039;d be the best player on the team even considering the fact that he only plays once every five days. And to say there&#039;s absolutely no way he could pitch better just isn&#039;t true. He doesn&#039;t sell more jerseys than Nathan? Sell more tickets than Nathan? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that the Twins chose Nathan over Santana (which is what they did), and the fact that you guys agree with it is absolutely absurd.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Look, given the choice between Santana or Nathan, everyone takes Nathan.&#8221;</p>

<p>That&#8217;s exactly what you said. First line of five posts up. Maybe you meant to say everyone takes Santana.</p>

<p>And you haven&#8217;t really been arguing that Santana is a lot more valuable than Nathan, I have. Read your previous posts. You don&#8217;t say that anywhere. </p>

<p>&#8220;Signing Santana would have raised the payroll pretty significantly, tying a huge percentage into one player who plays every five days and plays a position which has a huge injury risk, and it would have had exactly ZERO positive impact on the team — I say that because Santana would not have pitched better once he got the big contract. He’d be exactly the same pitcher.&#8221;</p>

<p>Can&#8217;t the exact same argument be made against Nathan? His salary is taking up one-fifth of the payroll this year, and a significant portion of it for the next three seasons. He&#8217;s also a guy that will pitch about a third less innings than Santana. And how can you say that Santana would have zero positive impact on the team? Zero? Think about that. He&#8217;d be the best player on the team even considering the fact that he only plays once every five days. And to say there&#8217;s absolutely no way he could pitch better just isn&#8217;t true. He doesn&#8217;t sell more jerseys than Nathan? Sell more tickets than Nathan? </p>

<p>The fact that the Twins chose Nathan over Santana (which is what they did), and the fact that you guys agree with it is absolutely absurd.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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