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	<title>Comments on: Twins 3 White Sox 1</title>
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		<title>By: UncleBumpa</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>UncleBumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s pretty easy to see how Liriano could be over-confident and feel self-important.  He&#039;s undisciplined, and that hasn&#039;t been a problem in the past.  He still needs to learn that there are consequences for gainig 20 pounds during the off-season, walking thru the drills, and half-listening to coaches. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He was assuming that the natural ability he had two years ago would never fade.  Let&#039;s see if he can learn how to work hard, pay atention to coaches, and get close to the level he was at.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty easy to see how Liriano could be over-confident and feel self-important.  He&#8217;s undisciplined, and that hasn&#8217;t been a problem in the past.  He still needs to learn that there are consequences for gainig 20 pounds during the off-season, walking thru the drills, and half-listening to coaches. </p>

<p>He was assuming that the natural ability he had two years ago would never fade.  Let&#8217;s see if he can learn how to work hard, pay atention to coaches, and get close to the level he was at.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I doubt Gardy was just making stuff up. My impression was that all the reports he was getting said that Liriano was looking good, and that he was throwing 97 MPH fastballs and ripping off good sliders and had great command. And it makes sense that he&#039;d pitch better at the major league level given his competitive nature -- as long as he had his stuff working.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the problem was (and probably still is) that the lines of communication between Liriano and the Twins are broken in some fundamental way. If Gardy had known the truth about Liriano&#039;s progress, I don&#039;t think he&#039;d have been so cavalier about throwing him onto the mound.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Through all of this, I think the most disheartening statement is that Liriano may have NEEDED to get blown off the mound in the majors just to show him that he does indeed need time in the minors. It worries me that he&#039;d be so unwilling to do what the organization tells him -- namely, get your command back in the minors before we risk REAL games in the majors.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt Gardy was just making stuff up. My impression was that all the reports he was getting said that Liriano was looking good, and that he was throwing 97 MPH fastballs and ripping off good sliders and had great command. And it makes sense that he&#8217;d pitch better at the major league level given his competitive nature &#8212; as long as he had his stuff working.</p>

<p>I think the problem was (and probably still is) that the lines of communication between Liriano and the Twins are broken in some fundamental way. If Gardy had known the truth about Liriano&#8217;s progress, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d have been so cavalier about throwing him onto the mound.</p>

<p>Through all of this, I think the most disheartening statement is that Liriano may have NEEDED to get blown off the mound in the majors just to show him that he does indeed need time in the minors. It worries me that he&#8217;d be so unwilling to do what the organization tells him &#8212; namely, get your command back in the minors before we risk REAL games in the majors.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: zmoney11</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>zmoney11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The twins are corporate whores, but they do need to bring back the big milk jug. That is all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The twins are corporate whores, but they do need to bring back the big milk jug. That is all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: IowaWigman</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>IowaWigman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To expand on that article, one thing I find troubling is Gardy keeps talking about it being a learning experience for Liriano and that it was an eye opener. That&#039;s fine, but didn&#039;t Gardy basically say prior to calling up Liriano that he would definitely pitch better in The Show because it is just a different level than the minors?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I feel like this should be a learning experience for Gardy as well. That angle was not mentioned in the story and from Gardy&#039;s quotes, I doubt he&#039;s learned anything. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Am I reaching on this? Am I making any sense?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To expand on that article, one thing I find troubling is Gardy keeps talking about it being a learning experience for Liriano and that it was an eye opener. That&#8217;s fine, but didn&#8217;t Gardy basically say prior to calling up Liriano that he would definitely pitch better in The Show because it is just a different level than the minors?</p>

<p>I feel like this should be a learning experience for Gardy as well. That angle was not mentioned in the story and from Gardy&#8217;s quotes, I doubt he&#8217;s learned anything. </p>

<p>Am I reaching on this? Am I making any sense?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: IowaWigman</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>IowaWigman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unrelated to this topic, but I&#039;d like to get some thoughts on Gardy&#039;s quotes in this article about Liriano: &lt;a href=&quot;http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080501&amp;content_id=2622738&amp;vkey=news_min&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=min&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liriano&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unrelated to this topic, but I&#8217;d like to get some thoughts on Gardy&#8217;s quotes in this article about Liriano: <a href="http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080501&amp;content_id=2622738&amp;vkey=news_min&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=min" rel="nofollow">Liriano</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Haha, good one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another fun game is trying to avoid getting killed on the way out of the stadium after the White Sox just lost and all the drunken Chicagoans are out for blood.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, good one.</p>

<p>Another fun game is trying to avoid getting killed on the way out of the stadium after the White Sox just lost and all the drunken Chicagoans are out for blood.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: bahhhh</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>bahhhh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The WhiteSox have plenty of gimmicks, though the favorite is the one where you try not to get jumped by the father/son meth-heads.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WhiteSox have plenty of gimmicks, though the favorite is the one where you try not to get jumped by the father/son meth-heads.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Take this quote from Dusty Baker about the young phenom Johnny Cueto&#039;s recent bad outing:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;He was getting the ball over the heart of the plate and up,&quot; Reds manager Dusty Baker said. &quot;His change-up was up. He&#039;d get two strikes on guys and throw a fastball over the heart of the plate. He was throwing well. He just wasn&#039;t locating well.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not that the catcher was calling high changeups. And it wouldn&#039;t have helped if the catcher had lowered his glove a few inches. The pitcher just couldn&#039;t locate his pitches properly, and as a result he got shelled.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The catcher calls the pitch and gives a spot. He has no control over whether the pitcher actually hits that spot. (Other than going out to talk to him and say something along the lines of &quot;Hit the spot.&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take this quote from Dusty Baker about the young phenom Johnny Cueto&#8217;s recent bad outing:</p>

<p>&#8220;He was getting the ball over the heart of the plate and up,&#8221; Reds manager Dusty Baker said. &#8220;His change-up was up. He&#8217;d get two strikes on guys and throw a fastball over the heart of the plate. He was throwing well. He just wasn&#8217;t locating well.&#8221;</p>

<p>It&#8217;s not that the catcher was calling high changeups. And it wouldn&#8217;t have helped if the catcher had lowered his glove a few inches. The pitcher just couldn&#8217;t locate his pitches properly, and as a result he got shelled.</p>

<p>The catcher calls the pitch and gives a spot. He has no control over whether the pitcher actually hits that spot. (Other than going out to talk to him and say something along the lines of &#8220;Hit the spot.&#8221;)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/04/30/twins-3-white-sox-1/comment-page-1/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But it has to do -- in this case -- solely with the ability of the pitcher to execute the throws. Both the pitcher and the catcher know that they want to hit the spot exactly, and barring that to miss low. If the pitcher doesn&#039;t have a handle on his stuff -- or is getting tired -- it won&#039;t help if the catcher lowers his glove a few more inches. The pitcher will still leave it high.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it has to do &#8212; in this case &#8212; solely with the ability of the pitcher to execute the throws. Both the pitcher and the catcher know that they want to hit the spot exactly, and barring that to miss low. If the pitcher doesn&#8217;t have a handle on his stuff &#8212; or is getting tired &#8212; it won&#8217;t help if the catcher lowers his glove a few more inches. The pitcher will still leave it high.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: UncleBumpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>UncleBumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But the catcher has to be part of the process of missing hi/low.
If he recognizes that the pitch he called for came in 6 inches higher than it was s&#039;posed to, he ought to be setting the target 4 inches lower next time.  He can&#039;t just keep doing the same thing, and wondering why the ball get&#039;s caught by the fan in the center field bleachers.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the catcher has to be part of the process of missing hi/low.
If he recognizes that the pitch he called for came in 6 inches higher than it was s&#8217;posed to, he ought to be setting the target 4 inches lower next time.  He can&#8217;t just keep doing the same thing, and wondering why the ball get&#8217;s caught by the fan in the center field bleachers.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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