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	<title>Comments on: Gomez Cycles, Punto Being Punto</title>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/05/08/gardy-returns-gomez-cycles-punto-being-punto/comment-page-1/#comment-629</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point about the speed + power. Votto&#039;s not going to get many triples.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you hit a homer, it almost expects that other guys on your team can hit home runs too (and if they don&#039;t, you&#039;re either not scoring more runs that inning or it didn&#039;t matter that you hit a home run).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mean, it&#039;s pretty obvious that the best lineup/best inning would be one in which everyone just hits home runs all the time. But ... that doesn&#039;t really happen. Ever.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The way I see it, there are two basic philosophies for building an offense: walks + power, or consecutive hits + speed. (Obviously it&#039;s more complicated than that, but if you were going to boil it down to just two, I think those are the two.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And lacking consistent power hitters, the Twins need to sustain rallies by generating consecutive hits. Sometimes, they can. But the hitters just aren&#039;t quite &lt;i&gt;good enough&lt;/i&gt; to do it consistently, day in and day out.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about the speed + power. Votto&#8217;s not going to get many triples.</p>

<p>If you hit a homer, it almost expects that other guys on your team can hit home runs too (and if they don&#8217;t, you&#8217;re either not scoring more runs that inning or it didn&#8217;t matter that you hit a home run).</p>

<p>I mean, it&#8217;s pretty obvious that the best lineup/best inning would be one in which everyone just hits home runs all the time. But &#8230; that doesn&#8217;t really happen. Ever.</p>

<p>The way I see it, there are two basic philosophies for building an offense: walks + power, or consecutive hits + speed. (Obviously it&#8217;s more complicated than that, but if you were going to boil it down to just two, I think those are the two.)</p>

<p>And lacking consistent power hitters, the Twins need to sustain rallies by generating consecutive hits. Sometimes, they can. But the hitters just aren&#8217;t quite <i>good enough</i> to do it consistently, day in and day out.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Grizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see your point about keeping up rallies, however Gomez was left stranded on his triple and double.  His single came in kind of a garbage inning at the end of the game that was all but over.  In both his double and triple at bats, there were two outs (granted without Punto&#039;s idiotic play, there should have been only one.)  I would always take a two out homerun over a two out double or triple, because it is certain that the run scores.  Regardless, it was still an awesome feat, and the reason I like the cycle is you have to have the speed to get a triple and the power to get a homerun.  That 6-6 game would have been nice to see.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point about keeping up rallies, however Gomez was left stranded on his triple and double.  His single came in kind of a garbage inning at the end of the game that was all but over.  In both his double and triple at bats, there were two outs (granted without Punto&#8217;s idiotic play, there should have been only one.)  I would always take a two out homerun over a two out double or triple, because it is certain that the run scores.  Regardless, it was still an awesome feat, and the reason I like the cycle is you have to have the speed to get a triple and the power to get a homerun.  That 6-6 game would have been nice to see.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/05/08/gardy-returns-gomez-cycles-punto-being-punto/comment-page-1/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll ride the Livan train as long as it takes us. Just like the ROrtiz train last year (although the Livan train has already gone longer).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The question of the cycle&#039;s value versus getting more XBH is an interesting one. Yesterday, Joey Votto of the Reds went 3-4 with 3 HR, 3R 4 RBI, 1 BB. At first glance, that&#039;s much better than 4-6 with 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 R, 2 K.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But Gomez&#039;s double and single both participated in rallies (and his triple would have, too, if not for Punto&#039;s &quot;bunt&quot;). As the old conventional wisdom says, &quot;Nothing ends a rally faster than a three run homer.&quot; Of course, Votto&#039;s homers weren&#039;t 3 runs apiece (two solos and a 2 run), but the point that they weren&#039;t part of a &quot;rally&quot; still stands.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s something I find a little interesting: yesterday, the Reds scored 9 of their 9 runs via home runs. Whereas the Twins scored 1 of their 13 runs via home runs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s hard to sustain a rally (since everyone needs to be hitting), but if a player hits the cycle and the hits either spark a rally or keep one going, then I&#039;d say it&#039;s a more valuable day than Votto&#039;s 3 HRs. (By the same token, however, I&#039;d say 4 doubles would be even more valuable than a cycle.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The most valuable? Apparently, last season in the minors, Gomez had a game where he went 6-6 with 2 HR, 2 3B, 1 2B, 1 1B. Now &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; a good day at the ballpark.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll ride the Livan train as long as it takes us. Just like the ROrtiz train last year (although the Livan train has already gone longer).</p>

<p>The question of the cycle&#8217;s value versus getting more XBH is an interesting one. Yesterday, Joey Votto of the Reds went 3-4 with 3 HR, 3R 4 RBI, 1 BB. At first glance, that&#8217;s much better than 4-6 with 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 3 RBI, 2 R, 2 K.</p>

<p>But Gomez&#8217;s double and single both participated in rallies (and his triple would have, too, if not for Punto&#8217;s &#8220;bunt&#8221;). As the old conventional wisdom says, &#8220;Nothing ends a rally faster than a three run homer.&#8221; Of course, Votto&#8217;s homers weren&#8217;t 3 runs apiece (two solos and a 2 run), but the point that they weren&#8217;t part of a &#8220;rally&#8221; still stands.</p>

<p>Here&#8217;s something I find a little interesting: yesterday, the Reds scored 9 of their 9 runs via home runs. Whereas the Twins scored 1 of their 13 runs via home runs.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s hard to sustain a rally (since everyone needs to be hitting), but if a player hits the cycle and the hits either spark a rally or keep one going, then I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s a more valuable day than Votto&#8217;s 3 HRs. (By the same token, however, I&#8217;d say 4 doubles would be even more valuable than a cycle.)</p>

<p>The most valuable? Apparently, last season in the minors, Gomez had a game where he went 6-6 with 2 HR, 2 3B, 1 2B, 1 1B. Now <i>that&#8217;s</i> a good day at the ballpark.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Grizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Before the game, they showed stats over the last ten or so one-hitters and how the team fairs the next game.  All of the teams who were one-hit out of the last ten recorded at least 10 hits, and many scored 8-plus runs. Punto really angered me, and his later production in the game does not make up for how bad his play was.  There should never be a 2-5-3 double play, especially when the hitter is known only for his scrappiness.  He was trying to argue the ball was foul, however it wasn&#039;t.  Even if it was foul, you should never not run out a close play.  I have a really bad feeling now that Gardy will, &quot;Like the way Nicky bounced back,&quot; and always find a spot for him in the order.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I liked that Livan was able to fight through the ninth and get the complete game.  I still think it is a matter of time until AL hitters adjust to his stuff and start pounding the ball, however I&#039;ll ride this train as far as it goes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was listening to KFAN this morning and they were discussing how the cycle is kind of an overdone accomplishment.  They said that even though it is rarer than a no-hitter, a no-hitter is a way bigger deal.  While they acknowledged that getting 4 hits and 3 XB hits is a great day at the dish, getting exactly one of each type of hit is just kind of a random accomplishment.  They brought up the point that if Gomez hits an XB hit instead of a single in the 9th, wouldn&#039;t that be better, even though it isn&#039;t the cycle?  Either way, it was good to see him pound the ball a few times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Twins will face two more southpaws in their next two starts, so expect the Kubel ABs to be low.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before the game, they showed stats over the last ten or so one-hitters and how the team fairs the next game.  All of the teams who were one-hit out of the last ten recorded at least 10 hits, and many scored 8-plus runs. Punto really angered me, and his later production in the game does not make up for how bad his play was.  There should never be a 2-5-3 double play, especially when the hitter is known only for his scrappiness.  He was trying to argue the ball was foul, however it wasn&#8217;t.  Even if it was foul, you should never not run out a close play.  I have a really bad feeling now that Gardy will, &#8220;Like the way Nicky bounced back,&#8221; and always find a spot for him in the order.</p>

<p>I liked that Livan was able to fight through the ninth and get the complete game.  I still think it is a matter of time until AL hitters adjust to his stuff and start pounding the ball, however I&#8217;ll ride this train as far as it goes.</p>

<p>I was listening to KFAN this morning and they were discussing how the cycle is kind of an overdone accomplishment.  They said that even though it is rarer than a no-hitter, a no-hitter is a way bigger deal.  While they acknowledged that getting 4 hits and 3 XB hits is a great day at the dish, getting exactly one of each type of hit is just kind of a random accomplishment.  They brought up the point that if Gomez hits an XB hit instead of a single in the 9th, wouldn&#8217;t that be better, even though it isn&#8217;t the cycle?  Either way, it was good to see him pound the ball a few times.</p>

<p>Twins will face two more southpaws in their next two starts, so expect the Kubel ABs to be low.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: UncleBumpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>UncleBumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You sure lucked out by going to Wed&#039;s game instead of Tue&#039;s!&lt;br /&gt;
Are there stats for teams facing each other again after a no-hitter?  Does the team that won the no-hitter typically let down?  Or is that just a Chisox trait?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sure lucked out by going to Wed&#8217;s game instead of Tue&#8217;s!<br />
Are there stats for teams facing each other again after a no-hitter?  Does the team that won the no-hitter typically let down?  Or is that just a Chisox trait?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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