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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/06/23/what-upgrades-does-the-roster-need/comment-page-1/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice work looking more deeply into those stats. I had a feeling about the month-to-month stuff, but I was blindsided by those lefty/righty splits. That&#039;s just terrible.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our analysis is roughly the same ... but if he HAS taken a big step forward (which we won&#039;t know for 12 more months), a righty-mashing 4th OF has at least SOME value. (Especially when all 3 of our outfielders are right handed.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work looking more deeply into those stats. I had a feeling about the month-to-month stuff, but I was blindsided by those lefty/righty splits. That&#8217;s just terrible.</p>

<p>Our analysis is roughly the same &#8230; but if he HAS taken a big step forward (which we won&#8217;t know for 12 more months), a righty-mashing 4th OF has at least SOME value. (Especially when all 3 of our outfielders are right handed.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In regards to Span, I was looking over his numbers for this season and trying to find something that explains this improbable run for him. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, look at his month to month stats. In April he posted a hitting line of .286/.429/.286 in 28 AB. Hardly impressive at all. In May he got going to the tune of .342/.432/.539 in 76 AB, and got even hotter in June by hitting .378/.478/.565, but in only 38 AB as he missed time to injury. In May and June Span has hit .356/.444/.547 over a stretch of 115 AB, which is not even one-fourth of a season. As mentioned above, Span is hitting way above his career minor league OPS of .713, which even includes this season. And another split that stands out is his righty/lefty numbers. Against right handers this season he&#039;s hitting an unbelievable .418/.525/.612 in 98 AB. Against lefties he&#039;s hitting an abysmal .178/.245/.244 in 45 AB. That&#039;s just alarming.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I see this as simply a hot run by a player who knows he&#039;s out of options. His career numbers and his complete inability to hit left-handed pitching make Span no more than a fourth outfielder in the majors. I don&#039;t think that will ever change.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to Span, I was looking over his numbers for this season and trying to find something that explains this improbable run for him. </p>

<p>First, look at his month to month stats. In April he posted a hitting line of .286/.429/.286 in 28 AB. Hardly impressive at all. In May he got going to the tune of .342/.432/.539 in 76 AB, and got even hotter in June by hitting .378/.478/.565, but in only 38 AB as he missed time to injury. In May and June Span has hit .356/.444/.547 over a stretch of 115 AB, which is not even one-fourth of a season. As mentioned above, Span is hitting way above his career minor league OPS of .713, which even includes this season. And another split that stands out is his righty/lefty numbers. Against right handers this season he&#8217;s hitting an unbelievable .418/.525/.612 in 98 AB. Against lefties he&#8217;s hitting an abysmal .178/.245/.244 in 45 AB. That&#8217;s just alarming.</p>

<p>I see this as simply a hot run by a player who knows he&#8217;s out of options. His career numbers and his complete inability to hit left-handed pitching make Span no more than a fourth outfielder in the majors. I don&#8217;t think that will ever change.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/06/23/what-upgrades-does-the-roster-need/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, I don&#039;t agree that the Casilla and Span situations are comparable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Last season was the outlier in Casilla&#039;s minor league career. His OPS dropped 100 points from his two previous seasons as he adjusted to AAA pitching. He&#039;s clearly playing out of his mind right now, but he&#039;s been playing well and it doesn&#039;t look &quot;flukey&quot; unless he loses his confidence or the game speeds back up for him. I expect him to regress a little, but remain at least average offensively for a second baseman.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This season is very clearly the outlier for Span&#039;s minor league career. Only once has he broken a 700 OPS before (split between high-A and AA in 2005). His OPS is up 250 points over his last two seasons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Span&#039;s situation is more comparable to Buscher&#039;s. It&#039;s possible that Span has finally put some things together and turned a corner as a hitter. But a couple of good months is way too soon to make that decision. If he hits like this (or within 100 points of OPS of it) for the rest of the season and continues at the start of next season, then it was probably real and our current opinion of Span will have turned out to be incorrect. Otherwise, it was just a couple of good months. Not nearly enough to justify benching Delmon Young for.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t agree that the Casilla and Span situations are comparable.</p>

<p>Last season was the outlier in Casilla&#8217;s minor league career. His OPS dropped 100 points from his two previous seasons as he adjusted to AAA pitching. He&#8217;s clearly playing out of his mind right now, but he&#8217;s been playing well and it doesn&#8217;t look &#8220;flukey&#8221; unless he loses his confidence or the game speeds back up for him. I expect him to regress a little, but remain at least average offensively for a second baseman.</p>

<p>This season is very clearly the outlier for Span&#8217;s minor league career. Only once has he broken a 700 OPS before (split between high-A and AA in 2005). His OPS is up 250 points over his last two seasons.</p>

<p>I think Span&#8217;s situation is more comparable to Buscher&#8217;s. It&#8217;s possible that Span has finally put some things together and turned a corner as a hitter. But a couple of good months is way too soon to make that decision. If he hits like this (or within 100 points of OPS of it) for the rest of the season and continues at the start of next season, then it was probably real and our current opinion of Span will have turned out to be incorrect. Otherwise, it was just a couple of good months. Not nearly enough to justify benching Delmon Young for.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: IowaWigman</title>
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		<dc:creator>IowaWigman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with most of the points in this post. However, one thing - in regards to Span, you are saying that even though he is playing well right now, we shouldn&#039;t conclude he&#039;s ready since it is only two months worth of stats. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Couldn&#039;t the same thing be said of Casilla? Sure, Casilla is playing well right now (and Span is doing it at AAA), but Casilla is definitely playing above what he&#039;s shown in the minors up until now no?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the points in this post. However, one thing &#8211; in regards to Span, you are saying that even though he is playing well right now, we shouldn&#8217;t conclude he&#8217;s ready since it is only two months worth of stats. </p>

<p>Couldn&#8217;t the same thing be said of Casilla? Sure, Casilla is playing well right now (and Span is doing it at AAA), but Casilla is definitely playing above what he&#8217;s shown in the minors up until now no?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is what worried me about Livan from the day we signed him. He would pitch lots of innings, bad innings, but lots of them.  Can you imagine if he leads the AL in innings pitched, but also as one of the highest ERAs among AL starters?  How does that help the team? Since they signed him to eat innings, we will do just that. Gardy has done a better job of pulling him than I thought he would. My nightmare was he was going to get 7ip no matter what, every start. 1 run, 2 runs, 9 runs or 10 runs: 7 innings. That hasn&#039;t happened, but that doesn&#039;t mean it can&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what worried me about Livan from the day we signed him. He would pitch lots of innings, bad innings, but lots of them.  Can you imagine if he leads the AL in innings pitched, but also as one of the highest ERAs among AL starters?  How does that help the team? Since they signed him to eat innings, we will do just that. Gardy has done a better job of pulling him than I thought he would. My nightmare was he was going to get 7ip no matter what, every start. 1 run, 2 runs, 9 runs or 10 runs: 7 innings. That hasn&#8217;t happened, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it can&#8217;t.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, Redmond should definitely become some sort of coach for us. And he&#039;s indicated that he&#039;d like that. I&#039;m not really worried about him -- I&#039;m more worried about the guy we&#039;ll have to replace him with. The catcher situation at the higher levels of our minor league system isn&#039;t good (unless Jose Morales can somehow figure out how to stay healthy).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It might help the fans that Redmond wouldn&#039;t be &quot;let go,&quot; and would remain in the organization. So perhaps there won&#039;t be as much blind outrage in his case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s true about Livan. He&#039;s the guy I trust the least of all the starters. When it&#039;s Baker or Perkins, I&#039;m thinking &quot;Okay, we&#039;ve got a good game coming;&quot; when it&#039;s Blackburn or Slowey, I&#039;m thinking &quot;Hopefully they put together another good game;&quot; when it&#039;s Livan, I&#039;m thinking &quot;Boy, I hope we score 10 runs tonight.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder how much Liriano effects their plans for Livan. Obviously the organization isn&#039;t going to talk about it, but Liriano has looked decent at AAA for the past several weeks. Definitely ready to out-perform Livan. If they feel Liriano is ready, they&#039;ll deal Livan. If they feel like they want to wait until next season, maybe they won&#039;t deal him.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s my take on that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Redmond should definitely become some sort of coach for us. And he&#8217;s indicated that he&#8217;d like that. I&#8217;m not really worried about him &#8212; I&#8217;m more worried about the guy we&#8217;ll have to replace him with. The catcher situation at the higher levels of our minor league system isn&#8217;t good (unless Jose Morales can somehow figure out how to stay healthy).</p>

<p>It might help the fans that Redmond wouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;let go,&#8221; and would remain in the organization. So perhaps there won&#8217;t be as much blind outrage in his case.</p>

<p>That&#8217;s true about Livan. He&#8217;s the guy I trust the least of all the starters. When it&#8217;s Baker or Perkins, I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;Okay, we&#8217;ve got a good game coming;&#8221; when it&#8217;s Blackburn or Slowey, I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;Hopefully they put together another good game;&#8221; when it&#8217;s Livan, I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;Boy, I hope we score 10 runs tonight.&#8221;</p>

<p>I wonder how much Liriano effects their plans for Livan. Obviously the organization isn&#8217;t going to talk about it, but Liriano has looked decent at AAA for the past several weeks. Definitely ready to out-perform Livan. If they feel Liriano is ready, they&#8217;ll deal Livan. If they feel like they want to wait until next season, maybe they won&#8217;t deal him.</p>

<p>That&#8217;s my take on that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes, I should have clarified. Twins fans seem to get attached to bad/easily replaceable players. Dougie, Punto, Tyner, (eventually) Tolbert.  I really like Mike Redmond as much as the next guy, but eventually we will have to get rid of him and go with a cheaper and younger backup catcher. I hope they keep him around for a while, and maybe transition him into a coach much like in the classic film Major League 2.  I bet if the twins are forced to not bring Redmond back due to the fact that he will be old soon, and we can slide someone into his place, there will be some sort of unfounded outrage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I pick the players I like based on on-field performance. I don&#039;t care if he is a nice guy, or a hard worker. I like to think that Mauer and Morneau work hard, AND have ability. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another thought I had the other day. Livan.  We won&#039;t trade him until we are out of contention is the vibe I&#039;m getting. However, if we do fall out of contention, I bet it will have a lot to do with his inability to get people out. Funny how that works out.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I should have clarified. Twins fans seem to get attached to bad/easily replaceable players. Dougie, Punto, Tyner, (eventually) Tolbert.  I really like Mike Redmond as much as the next guy, but eventually we will have to get rid of him and go with a cheaper and younger backup catcher. I hope they keep him around for a while, and maybe transition him into a coach much like in the classic film Major League 2.  I bet if the twins are forced to not bring Redmond back due to the fact that he will be old soon, and we can slide someone into his place, there will be some sort of unfounded outrage.</p>

<p>I pick the players I like based on on-field performance. I don&#8217;t care if he is a nice guy, or a hard worker. I like to think that Mauer and Morneau work hard, AND have ability. </p>

<p>Another thought I had the other day. Livan.  We won&#8217;t trade him until we are out of contention is the vibe I&#8217;m getting. However, if we do fall out of contention, I bet it will have a lot to do with his inability to get people out. Funny how that works out.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great point about Lamb making good plays and not being a good fielder because of it. Nobody seems to realize that, while Punto does make some good plays out there, he misses a lot of plays that other third basemen make. (Third basemen who also, you know, hit home runs.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dougie Syndrome. I like it. It&#039;s immediately evident who it&#039;s about, and its namesake is a great example of exactly that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But while you&#039;re right that Twins fans get attached to the players, I think it&#039;s wrong to criticize that. Fans should get attached to players. And then feel like crap when those players fail to produce or leave via free agency or get traded to another team. And then attach themselves to the next guy on the team -- it&#039;s part of being a fan of a team.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, though, I&#039;m going to go out on a limb and guess that wasn&#039;t exactly your point. People are attached to Mauer and Morneau -- good. People were attached to Hunter and Santana -- that was painful. People are/were attached to Punto and Tyner and Mientkiewicz -- that doesn&#039;t mean those players should start, or even remain with the team.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People should attach themselves to &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; players who make the team &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt;, and perhaps more importantly, Gardy shouldn&#039;t give a hoot who the fans like -- it&#039;s his job to put the best team on the field. Nick Punto is not part of that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point about Lamb making good plays and not being a good fielder because of it. Nobody seems to realize that, while Punto does make some good plays out there, he misses a lot of plays that other third basemen make. (Third basemen who also, you know, hit home runs.)</p>

<p>Dougie Syndrome. I like it. It&#8217;s immediately evident who it&#8217;s about, and its namesake is a great example of exactly that.</p>

<p>But while you&#8217;re right that Twins fans get attached to the players, I think it&#8217;s wrong to criticize that. Fans should get attached to players. And then feel like crap when those players fail to produce or leave via free agency or get traded to another team. And then attach themselves to the next guy on the team &#8212; it&#8217;s part of being a fan of a team.</p>

<p>That said, though, I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb and guess that wasn&#8217;t exactly your point. People are attached to Mauer and Morneau &#8212; good. People were attached to Hunter and Santana &#8212; that was painful. People are/were attached to Punto and Tyner and Mientkiewicz &#8212; that doesn&#8217;t mean those players should start, or even remain with the team.</p>

<p>People should attach themselves to <i>good</i> players who make the team <i>better</i>, and perhaps more importantly, Gardy shouldn&#8217;t give a hoot who the fans like &#8212; it&#8217;s his job to put the best team on the field. Nick Punto is not part of that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is also the ignorance factor.  A fan went to a game last year, saw Nick Punto make a play that looked difficult, and they peg him as the next fielding Jesus. (I&#039;m assuming Jesus can field despite the fact he always wore sandals and robes.)  Punto does make a great play every once in a while, but Lamb has made some nice plays at third as well, that doesn&#039;t make him a good fielder.  I do have a personal bias against the guy because he is, you know, bad at his job, but I wish people would realize that.  This seems to be a common problem with Twins fans: the get an emotional attachment to a single player for some reason.  This is a team sport, if there is someone who isn&#039;t helping the team we can&#039;t pay him lots of money just because fans can relate to him.  I call it Doug syndrome.  In general Twins fans don&#039;t seem to be critical enough of the team. That is how teams improve, constructive criticism.  Ron, if you are reading this, don&#039;t start Punto, he won&#039;t help the team.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also the ignorance factor.  A fan went to a game last year, saw Nick Punto make a play that looked difficult, and they peg him as the next fielding Jesus. (I&#8217;m assuming Jesus can field despite the fact he always wore sandals and robes.)  Punto does make a great play every once in a while, but Lamb has made some nice plays at third as well, that doesn&#8217;t make him a good fielder.  I do have a personal bias against the guy because he is, you know, bad at his job, but I wish people would realize that.  This seems to be a common problem with Twins fans: the get an emotional attachment to a single player for some reason.  This is a team sport, if there is someone who isn&#8217;t helping the team we can&#8217;t pay him lots of money just because fans can relate to him.  I call it Doug syndrome.  In general Twins fans don&#8217;t seem to be critical enough of the team. That is how teams improve, constructive criticism.  Ron, if you are reading this, don&#8217;t start Punto, he won&#8217;t help the team.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, it&#039;s not exactly a sure thing that Punto would have made the play. He&#039;s &lt;i&gt;able&lt;/i&gt; to play all the positions. As in, can go stand there and kind of know what he&#039;s doing. But he&#039;s by no means &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; out there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Every defensive metric pegs his range at below average, and his arm is bafflingly weak.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only reason people think he&#039;s good in the field is that he can&#039;t hit. (The inverse relationship between hitting ability and &lt;i&gt;perceived&lt;/i&gt; fielding ability.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, it&#8217;s not exactly a sure thing that Punto would have made the play. He&#8217;s <i>able</i> to play all the positions. As in, can go stand there and kind of know what he&#8217;s doing. But he&#8217;s by no means <i>good</i> out there.</p>

<p>Every defensive metric pegs his range at below average, and his arm is bafflingly weak.</p>

<p>The only reason people think he&#8217;s good in the field is that he can&#8217;t hit. (The inverse relationship between hitting ability and <i>perceived</i> fielding ability.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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