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		<title>By: MarkW</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/07/14/twins-at-the-break/comment-page-1/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree w/ flipping Young/Harris in the order, almost did that, but figured I&#039;d try to match what Gardy would do anyways and keep Young higher in the lineup then he deserves to be, or until he shows some more plate patience and/or power...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w/ flipping Young/Harris in the order, almost did that, but figured I&#8217;d try to match what Gardy would do anyways and keep Young higher in the lineup then he deserves to be, or until he shows some more plate patience and/or power&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/07/14/twins-at-the-break/comment-page-1/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forget about Monroe&#039;s contract. Once it&#039;s signed, the money no longer matters. The problem is that we brought him in to do exactly one thing: mash left handed pitching. He&#039;s hitting .122/.217/.216 against left handers. That&#039;s 2 HR in 83 PA. Just 9 HITS.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s why he&#039;s useless and has to go. Do we keep him around and keep throwing him out there against lefties (by the way, those are ABs that Kubel could be getting)? Do we assume that the last 18 months have been a complete aberration and he&#039;s going to wake up all of a sudden and start hitting like he was still in the brief peak of his career? Isn&#039;t that pretty bone headed?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(For the record, Kubel&#039;s not hitting much better against lefties. But he&#039;s showed that he CAN do it, and his 51 AB this year aren&#039;t really a big enough sample size to say anything.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And by the way, I agree about that lineup. It&#039;s optimal for our team right now. (Except I might switch Young and Harris. And kick everyone up a spot when Span comes in, and have him bat in front of Gomez.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about Monroe&#8217;s contract. Once it&#8217;s signed, the money no longer matters. The problem is that we brought him in to do exactly one thing: mash left handed pitching. He&#8217;s hitting .122/.217/.216 against left handers. That&#8217;s 2 HR in 83 PA. Just 9 HITS.</p>

<p>That&#8217;s why he&#8217;s useless and has to go. Do we keep him around and keep throwing him out there against lefties (by the way, those are ABs that Kubel could be getting)? Do we assume that the last 18 months have been a complete aberration and he&#8217;s going to wake up all of a sudden and start hitting like he was still in the brief peak of his career? Isn&#8217;t that pretty bone headed?</p>

<p>(For the record, Kubel&#8217;s not hitting much better against lefties. But he&#8217;s showed that he CAN do it, and his 51 AB this year aren&#8217;t really a big enough sample size to say anything.)</p>

<p>And by the way, I agree about that lineup. It&#8217;s optimal for our team right now. (Except I might switch Young and Harris. And kick everyone up a spot when Span comes in, and have him bat in front of Gomez.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/07/14/twins-at-the-break/comment-page-1/#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>FunBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess I don&#039;t have as big a problem with Monroe as everyone else. He plays too much and is paid too much. But if we were paying him less than half of what we currently pay him, and he played way less would everyone be cool with him on the team? I just wish they would treat him as a bench player not as someone who deserves starter-type ABs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I like the looks of that lineup.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t have as big a problem with Monroe as everyone else. He plays too much and is paid too much. But if we were paying him less than half of what we currently pay him, and he played way less would everyone be cool with him on the team? I just wish they would treat him as a bench player not as someone who deserves starter-type ABs.</p>

<p>I like the looks of that lineup.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MarkW</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/07/14/twins-at-the-break/comment-page-1/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Agree with all of the above!  Ideally they will dump Monroe (and flush the money down the toilet, oh, we did that already)... With Cuddyer coming back after the break, there aren&#039;t many options... Everett should be moved to 60-day DL so we can move Macri up (split time w/ Buscher) Punto should NEVER play 3B (i dont care about his &quot;flashy glove&quot;) Punto should be used to spell Harris at SS and Casilla (rarely) at 2B... and NEVER EVER be used to DH.
Lamb move to the bench (since we signed him for 2 years! DOH!), with Redmond and Macri/Span... we need to go to 11 pitchers as well... 
Maybe I have too many guys, but I haven&#039;t counted yet...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bullpen:
Nathan
Grrreirrrrr
Reyes
Crain
Breslow
Bonser&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Starters:
Slowey
Blackburn
Baker
Perkins
Livan Horrendous (replaced by Liriano - oh, that money thing again)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;14 pos players
Mauer
Morneau
Casilla
Harris
Buscher
Cuddyer
Gomez
Young
Redmond
Span
Kubel
Punto
Lamb
Macri &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lamb is wasted space w/ Macri up, so I can see them keeping a pitcher or just adding Liriano to the mix and putting Livan in the pen (ideally to EAT innings in games that dont matter!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lineup:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Casilla 2B
Mauer C
Morneau 1B
Kubel DH
Cuddyer RF
Buscher 3B
Young LF
Harris SS
Gomez CF&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2-4, they need more ABs, plain and simple - they ARE the offense (not matter how many times Punto gets a leadoff dbl in the 6th inning, i dont care)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with all of the above!  Ideally they will dump Monroe (and flush the money down the toilet, oh, we did that already)&#8230; With Cuddyer coming back after the break, there aren&#8217;t many options&#8230; Everett should be moved to 60-day DL so we can move Macri up (split time w/ Buscher) Punto should NEVER play 3B (i dont care about his &#8220;flashy glove&#8221;) Punto should be used to spell Harris at SS and Casilla (rarely) at 2B&#8230; and NEVER EVER be used to DH.
Lamb move to the bench (since we signed him for 2 years! DOH!), with Redmond and Macri/Span&#8230; we need to go to 11 pitchers as well&#8230; 
Maybe I have too many guys, but I haven&#8217;t counted yet&#8230;</p>

<p>Bullpen:
Nathan
Grrreirrrrr
Reyes
Crain
Breslow
Bonser</p>

<p>Starters:
Slowey
Blackburn
Baker
Perkins
Livan Horrendous (replaced by Liriano &#8211; oh, that money thing again)</p>

<p>14 pos players
Mauer
Morneau
Casilla
Harris
Buscher
Cuddyer
Gomez
Young
Redmond
Span
Kubel
Punto
Lamb
Macri </p>

<p>Lamb is wasted space w/ Macri up, so I can see them keeping a pitcher or just adding Liriano to the mix and putting Livan in the pen (ideally to EAT innings in games that dont matter!)</p>

<p>Lineup:</p>

<p>Casilla 2B
Mauer C
Morneau 1B
Kubel DH
Cuddyer RF
Buscher 3B
Young LF
Harris SS
Gomez CF</p>

<p>2-4, they need more ABs, plain and simple &#8211; they ARE the offense (not matter how many times Punto gets a leadoff dbl in the 6th inning, i dont care)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2008/07/14/twins-at-the-break/comment-page-1/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Playing well solves all ills. So if Punto keeps hitting well, then what the hell? (It basically leaves the only problem with Punto being how incredibly overrated he is by Gardy, DickBert, and the fans. Which isn&#039;t really his fault.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If he&#039;s hitting .300 and playing adequate defense at all the infield positions, he&#039;s a pretty valuable player. If he&#039;s hitting .200 as the every day third baseman ... he&#039;s worse than useless. So now that he&#039;s hitting a little (lot!) better and is being used correctly, there&#039;s no reason to have a problem with him.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But you&#039;re definitely right about Tolbert. We only need one of them. So I&#039;d say we let Tolbert dick around in Rochester for the rest of the summer, then let Punto walk in the winter and replace him with Tolbert. But there should be exactly one of them on the 25 man roster at any given time. (Especially if we keep Span as a utility outfielder in favor of the hopefully-soon-to-be-deceased Monroe.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playing well solves all ills. So if Punto keeps hitting well, then what the hell? (It basically leaves the only problem with Punto being how incredibly overrated he is by Gardy, DickBert, and the fans. Which isn&#8217;t really his fault.)</p>

<p>If he&#8217;s hitting .300 and playing adequate defense at all the infield positions, he&#8217;s a pretty valuable player. If he&#8217;s hitting .200 as the every day third baseman &#8230; he&#8217;s worse than useless. So now that he&#8217;s hitting a little (lot!) better and is being used correctly, there&#8217;s no reason to have a problem with him.</p>

<p>But you&#8217;re definitely right about Tolbert. We only need one of them. So I&#8217;d say we let Tolbert dick around in Rochester for the rest of the summer, then let Punto walk in the winter and replace him with Tolbert. But there should be exactly one of them on the 25 man roster at any given time. (Especially if we keep Span as a utility outfielder in favor of the hopefully-soon-to-be-deceased Monroe.)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My guess is they keep Everett on the DL or in AAA until rosters expand in september and/or someone gets hurt. We forgot to mention that the Punto/Tolbert situation needs to be straightened out. Keep one and only one on the 25 man roster. Also, I don&#039;t like how people are saying &quot;Punto is playing like Punto again&quot;. No he isn&#039;t, he is playing like 2006 nick punto which isn&#039;t the real Punto, and he could come crashing back to 2007 NIck Punto at any moment. I don&#039;t want one of our starting infielders to have the potential to return to a 200 hitter overnight. I just wish we would get rid of him and use Tolbert as our utility guy since he is cheaper and younger, and if Nick Punto isn&#039;t on the team, people can&#039;t say &quot;Punto could have made that play&quot; everytime ANY fielder makes an error. The sooner he is out of the organization the better, I am just sick of hearing about him in general. Sorry for the rant.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is they keep Everett on the DL or in AAA until rosters expand in september and/or someone gets hurt. We forgot to mention that the Punto/Tolbert situation needs to be straightened out. Keep one and only one on the 25 man roster. Also, I don&#8217;t like how people are saying &#8220;Punto is playing like Punto again&#8221;. No he isn&#8217;t, he is playing like 2006 nick punto which isn&#8217;t the real Punto, and he could come crashing back to 2007 NIck Punto at any moment. I don&#8217;t want one of our starting infielders to have the potential to return to a 200 hitter overnight. I just wish we would get rid of him and use Tolbert as our utility guy since he is cheaper and younger, and if Nick Punto isn&#8217;t on the team, people can&#8217;t say &#8220;Punto could have made that play&#8221; everytime ANY fielder makes an error. The sooner he is out of the organization the better, I am just sick of hearing about him in general. Sorry for the rant.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gomez should be moved down to 9th, but he won&#039;t. Giving away outs is something a manager can &quot;do,&quot; and Gardy really likes to do it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bass and Boof need to have their hands chopped off so they can no longer pitch. When was the last time Bass came in and &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; give up a run? Oh, and with that in mind ... why does Gardy keep bringing him in in the 8th inning against the middle of the other team&#039;s lineup in 0 or 1 runs games? &quot;Not a replacement for Neshek&quot; is both true and possibly the most flattering thing that can be said about Brian Bass.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So yes, a good solid relief arm would be nice. That and a shortstop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is that all the contenders need/want relief help, so the market is going to be pretty ridiculous there. And there&#039;s a huge shortstop shortage in MLB, so there&#039;s no help coming there any time soon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I&#039;d say the moves we need to make are pretty simple.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Kill Livan Hernandez.
2) Liriano.
3) Keep Perkins in the rotation, for Christ&#039;s sake.
4) More Breslow. (Where did he go? Can someone give him that picture of Gardy and the goat that got Lew Ford and Jason Tyner so much playing time?)
5) Less Bass.
6) Less Boof.
7) Less Lamb.
8 ) Don&#039;t let Everett back onto the team when his arm is &quot;healthy.&quot;
9) Bobby Korecky.
10) Use Nathan more often.
11) Use Span the same way we use Punto -- sparingly, to give the good players a rest.
12) Kill Craig Monroe -- when the veteran &quot;slugger&quot; you bring in to bash left handed pitching is batting .100 against lefties, you just have to admit it was a bad investment and cut your losses. Those losses being &quot;at bats that could and should have gone to...&quot;
13) Jason Kubel!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s not that many moves, really. What&#039;s the market look like for killing Livan and Monroe?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gomez should be moved down to 9th, but he won&#8217;t. Giving away outs is something a manager can &#8220;do,&#8221; and Gardy really likes to do it.</p>

<p>Bass and Boof need to have their hands chopped off so they can no longer pitch. When was the last time Bass came in and <i>didn&#8217;t</i> give up a run? Oh, and with that in mind &#8230; why does Gardy keep bringing him in in the 8th inning against the middle of the other team&#8217;s lineup in 0 or 1 runs games? &#8220;Not a replacement for Neshek&#8221; is both true and possibly the most flattering thing that can be said about Brian Bass.</p>

<p>So yes, a good solid relief arm would be nice. That and a shortstop.</p>

<p>The problem is that all the contenders need/want relief help, so the market is going to be pretty ridiculous there. And there&#8217;s a huge shortstop shortage in MLB, so there&#8217;s no help coming there any time soon.</p>

<p>So I&#8217;d say the moves we need to make are pretty simple.</p>

<p>1) Kill Livan Hernandez.
2) Liriano.
3) Keep Perkins in the rotation, for Christ&#8217;s sake.
4) More Breslow. (Where did he go? Can someone give him that picture of Gardy and the goat that got Lew Ford and Jason Tyner so much playing time?)
5) Less Bass.
6) Less Boof.
7) Less Lamb.
8 ) Don&#8217;t let Everett back onto the team when his arm is &#8220;healthy.&#8221;
9) Bobby Korecky.
10) Use Nathan more often.
11) Use Span the same way we use Punto &#8212; sparingly, to give the good players a rest.
12) Kill Craig Monroe &#8212; when the veteran &#8220;slugger&#8221; you bring in to bash left handed pitching is batting .100 against lefties, you just have to admit it was a bad investment and cut your losses. Those losses being &#8220;at bats that could and should have gone to&#8230;&#8221;
13) Jason Kubel!</p>

<p>That&#8217;s not that many moves, really. What&#8217;s the market look like for killing Livan and Monroe?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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