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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/15/salary-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-1597</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Teams overpay for pitching precisely because having a black hole in the rotation is so damaging. The Yankees are willing to give Burnett $80M to pitch well for them for a couple of years. They&#039;re also okay with burning that money if he gets hurt or is ineffective.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it&#039;s guys like Torii Hunter and Raul Ibanez and Michael Young that have deals that make no sense -- these players are good, but not GREAT. We completely replaced Hunter&#039;s defense (his main good attribute) immediately, and our offense scored more runs once he was gone. $90M is too much to pay for someone who can be replaced that easily.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teams overpay for pitching precisely because having a black hole in the rotation is so damaging. The Yankees are willing to give Burnett $80M to pitch well for them for a couple of years. They&#8217;re also okay with burning that money if he gets hurt or is ineffective.</p>

<p>But it&#8217;s guys like Torii Hunter and Raul Ibanez and Michael Young that have deals that make no sense &#8212; these players are good, but not GREAT. We completely replaced Hunter&#8217;s defense (his main good attribute) immediately, and our offense scored more runs once he was gone. $90M is too much to pay for someone who can be replaced that easily.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/15/salary-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-1596</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and by &quot;overpaying&quot; I mean &quot;giving mega-deals to&quot;.  Not sure the Yankees &quot;overpaid&quot; for Tex, considering he would have gotten something similar from another team.  Unlike CC where they bid against themseleves.  I also believe that going with young pitching and filling your offensive holes via FA is the way to go. That is probably just because a black hole, washed up veteran in your starting rotation is more detrimental than a washed up veteran in your lineup. Obviously having immensly talented young players at every position is ideal, but not possible. Considering minor league talent reaches the majors in waves not all at one.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and by &#8220;overpaying&#8221; I mean &#8220;giving mega-deals to&#8221;.  Not sure the Yankees &#8220;overpaid&#8221; for Tex, considering he would have gotten something similar from another team.  Unlike CC where they bid against themseleves.  I also believe that going with young pitching and filling your offensive holes via FA is the way to go. That is probably just because a black hole, washed up veteran in your starting rotation is more detrimental than a washed up veteran in your lineup. Obviously having immensly talented young players at every position is ideal, but not possible. Considering minor league talent reaches the majors in waves not all at one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: FunBobby</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/15/salary-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-1595</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also don&#039;t have as much of a problem with teams overpaying for hitters.  They tend to be effective longer than pitchers.  Thats why I like the Tex deal, and don&#039;t like the CC deal, even though on paper they are simiilar in dollars and years.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don&#8217;t have as much of a problem with teams overpaying for hitters.  They tend to be effective longer than pitchers.  Thats why I like the Tex deal, and don&#8217;t like the CC deal, even though on paper they are simiilar in dollars and years.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/15/salary-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly- the superstar Alexander Rodriguezes and CC Sabathias of the world will get paid big by the big teams, but a lot of good players will get more reasonable, affordable deals. Torii Hunter is a better example- in future, I don&#039;t see teams paying so much for guys like him.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly- the superstar Alexander Rodriguezes and CC Sabathias of the world will get paid big by the big teams, but a lot of good players will get more reasonable, affordable deals. Torii Hunter is a better example- in future, I don&#8217;t see teams paying so much for guys like him.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/15/salary-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-1593</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Yankees may or may not regret doling out $50M per season to A-Rod and Tex when they&#039;re 40 years old. But when you have money to spend, you can afford to make those kinds of mistakes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And A-Rod and Tex, for all their insane talent, increase their value with their consistency. I know people don&#039;t like to hear that A-Rod is consistently the best player in baseball (because they think he&#039;s not &quot;clutch&quot;), the numbers bear out that he performs almost as consistently, over the seasons, as Pujols. Some years it comes in innings 1-3, sometimes in inning 7-9, but the run creation is always there. That&#039;s worth a lot. Mauer seems really consistent, but he&#039;s had 2 great seasons and 2 okay seasons. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When players prove that kind of durability and sustainability over a few years, THEN they become worth the megadeals from the big-market teams. The problem is that GMs never realized that the gap between those elite players and the second tier is HUGE -- and that they difference in pay should be also. They seem to be slowly catching on to that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankees may or may not regret doling out $50M per season to A-Rod and Tex when they&#8217;re 40 years old. But when you have money to spend, you can afford to make those kinds of mistakes.</p>

<p>And A-Rod and Tex, for all their insane talent, increase their value with their consistency. I know people don&#8217;t like to hear that A-Rod is consistently the best player in baseball (because they think he&#8217;s not &#8220;clutch&#8221;), the numbers bear out that he performs almost as consistently, over the seasons, as Pujols. Some years it comes in innings 1-3, sometimes in inning 7-9, but the run creation is always there. That&#8217;s worth a lot. Mauer seems really consistent, but he&#8217;s had 2 great seasons and 2 okay seasons. </p>

<p>When players prove that kind of durability and sustainability over a few years, THEN they become worth the megadeals from the big-market teams. The problem is that GMs never realized that the gap between those elite players and the second tier is HUGE &#8212; and that they difference in pay should be also. They seem to be slowly catching on to that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems to me that the salary cap won&#039;t be that big of an issue in the future. Besides the Yankees, teams are already starting to think young and take a chance on talented rookies rather than pay big bucks for free agents (and the chances are paying off). Fans are more connected to the minor-league systems now because of the Internet, and many are excited to see the stars down on the farm succeed in the big leagues. Conversely, fans seem to be less willing to give up promising talent in a trade. Baseball&#039;s more about speed and slick play than strictly power now, which means younger, quicker guys.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s more than the uncertain economy- so many free agents are still unsigned because teams don&#039;t absolutely need them. Guys might start accepting arbitration now to guarantee a job. And if salaries start going down because demand (and leverage) simply isn&#039;t there, small- and medium-market teams will actually be able to sign their good players because those players can&#039;t automatically look forward to a huge payday. The Yanks grossly overpaid for Mark Texeiria (sp?), and they&#039;ll regret it in a few years when younger guys with approximate talent are going for pennies on the dollar.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the salary cap won&#8217;t be that big of an issue in the future. Besides the Yankees, teams are already starting to think young and take a chance on talented rookies rather than pay big bucks for free agents (and the chances are paying off). Fans are more connected to the minor-league systems now because of the Internet, and many are excited to see the stars down on the farm succeed in the big leagues. Conversely, fans seem to be less willing to give up promising talent in a trade. Baseball&#8217;s more about speed and slick play than strictly power now, which means younger, quicker guys.</p>

<p>I think it&#8217;s more than the uncertain economy- so many free agents are still unsigned because teams don&#8217;t absolutely need them. Guys might start accepting arbitration now to guarantee a job. And if salaries start going down because demand (and leverage) simply isn&#8217;t there, small- and medium-market teams will actually be able to sign their good players because those players can&#8217;t automatically look forward to a huge payday. The Yanks grossly overpaid for Mark Texeiria (sp?), and they&#8217;ll regret it in a few years when younger guys with approximate talent are going for pennies on the dollar.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/15/salary-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-1588</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re being too kind to the concept of a salary cap. It&#039;d be an unmitigated DISASTER, especially for small market teams.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What people often don&#039;t realize, because they only look at the top spenders like the Yankees and Red Sox, is that whenever there&#039;s a salary CAP, there&#039;s also a salary FLOOR. As in, YOU CANNOT SPEND LESS THAN THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON YOUR TEAM. And it&#039;s not that low.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I saw another article that looked at the cap situation. Since the average payroll is around $90M, they&#039;d probably set the cap at around $120M and the floor at around $60-70M.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is that there are a lot of teams who spend less than that not because they&#039;re cheap, but because they just don&#039;t bring in that much money. The Pirates, for example, would be screwed by this plan. They&#039;d have to ditch their &quot;rebuilding&quot; plan and spend money for no reason -- subsequently LOSING MONEY. This just gives a bigger advantage to teams in large markets. It will also inflate the salaries of mediocre players while depressing the salaries of great players. Are ANY of these things desirable?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It works for the NFL because most of the revenue is national -- they have TV deals and they dole out games to whatever regional networks they want. In the MLB, it&#039;s local; each team has their own deals with TV networks. Does it make sense for the Yankees to cancel their deal with the YES Network and rewrite it so they get less revenue from it, and the balance goes to teams like the Marlins and Royals so they can be forced to overpay for below-average talent?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Skip the salary cap. Fix the draft system -- either ditch the slotting system or enforce it. Force all drafted players to take a minor league contract. If the signing bonus is above some threshold, both the player and the team have to pay a penalty (like the team loses its pick in that round the next year, and the player has to endure one extra year of service time in the majors before he reaches arbitration, if he ever even makes it to the majors).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mostly, people just have to stop complaining about the dollars. The dollars are not what makes a team. It&#039;s nice to have them, sure, but I don&#039;t know why the Brewers are complaining -- they built their team without any big free agent signings, and the ones they did sign actually hurt the team (notably Gagne). Just stick to developing Fielder/Braun/Weeks/Hardy/etc, and you&#039;ll be fine.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re being too kind to the concept of a salary cap. It&#8217;d be an unmitigated DISASTER, especially for small market teams.</p>

<p>What people often don&#8217;t realize, because they only look at the top spenders like the Yankees and Red Sox, is that whenever there&#8217;s a salary CAP, there&#8217;s also a salary FLOOR. As in, YOU CANNOT SPEND LESS THAN THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON YOUR TEAM. And it&#8217;s not that low.</p>

<p>I saw another article that looked at the cap situation. Since the average payroll is around $90M, they&#8217;d probably set the cap at around $120M and the floor at around $60-70M.</p>

<p>The problem is that there are a lot of teams who spend less than that not because they&#8217;re cheap, but because they just don&#8217;t bring in that much money. The Pirates, for example, would be screwed by this plan. They&#8217;d have to ditch their &#8220;rebuilding&#8221; plan and spend money for no reason &#8212; subsequently LOSING MONEY. This just gives a bigger advantage to teams in large markets. It will also inflate the salaries of mediocre players while depressing the salaries of great players. Are ANY of these things desirable?</p>

<p>It works for the NFL because most of the revenue is national &#8212; they have TV deals and they dole out games to whatever regional networks they want. In the MLB, it&#8217;s local; each team has their own deals with TV networks. Does it make sense for the Yankees to cancel their deal with the YES Network and rewrite it so they get less revenue from it, and the balance goes to teams like the Marlins and Royals so they can be forced to overpay for below-average talent?</p>

<p>Skip the salary cap. Fix the draft system &#8212; either ditch the slotting system or enforce it. Force all drafted players to take a minor league contract. If the signing bonus is above some threshold, both the player and the team have to pay a penalty (like the team loses its pick in that round the next year, and the player has to endure one extra year of service time in the majors before he reaches arbitration, if he ever even makes it to the majors).</p>

<p>Mostly, people just have to stop complaining about the dollars. The dollars are not what makes a team. It&#8217;s nice to have them, sure, but I don&#8217;t know why the Brewers are complaining &#8212; they built their team without any big free agent signings, and the ones they did sign actually hurt the team (notably Gagne). Just stick to developing Fielder/Braun/Weeks/Hardy/etc, and you&#8217;ll be fine.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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