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	<title>Comments on: Performance Enhancing Surgery: The Next Frontier?</title>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/29/performance-enhancing-surgery-the-next-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-1667</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tommy John surgery is a good point, and was something I meant to bring up in the article, in this context: what about teenagers who pre-emptively have TJ surgery in order to improve their chances? (See Jeff Manship, who had the surgery in high school.) Is that too early, or unacceptable, or completely okay?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And I don&#039;t buy the legal argument. What&#039;s legal or illegal shouldn&#039;t be the line. Laws change -- HGH wasn&#039;t illegal when players started taking it, nor was it against the rules of baseball, but everyone still thinks it was wrong for players to do it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the next few years it might be possible for players to undergo genetic treatment to allow them to grow extra muscle, stronger ligaments and bones, etc. This is not currently illegal, but very well may be shortly after people start doing it. Is it okay for the people who do it while it&#039;s not illegal yet, then wrong for everyone else once it&#039;s banned?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know where the line should be drawn. And I certainly don&#039;t know that it should be drawn before laser eye surgery. But I think that since there IS a line (HGH, steroids, amphetamines), that the discussion about the line should start soon.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy John surgery is a good point, and was something I meant to bring up in the article, in this context: what about teenagers who pre-emptively have TJ surgery in order to improve their chances? (See Jeff Manship, who had the surgery in high school.) Is that too early, or unacceptable, or completely okay?</p>

<p>And I don&#8217;t buy the legal argument. What&#8217;s legal or illegal shouldn&#8217;t be the line. Laws change &#8212; HGH wasn&#8217;t illegal when players started taking it, nor was it against the rules of baseball, but everyone still thinks it was wrong for players to do it.</p>

<p>In the next few years it might be possible for players to undergo genetic treatment to allow them to grow extra muscle, stronger ligaments and bones, etc. This is not currently illegal, but very well may be shortly after people start doing it. Is it okay for the people who do it while it&#8217;s not illegal yet, then wrong for everyone else once it&#8217;s banned?</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t know where the line should be drawn. And I certainly don&#8217;t know that it should be drawn before laser eye surgery. But I think that since there IS a line (HGH, steroids, amphetamines), that the discussion about the line should start soon.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: thrylos98</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/29/performance-enhancing-surgery-the-next-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-1666</link>
		<dc:creator>thrylos98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I get what this issue is about... here is where I draw the line:  if something is legal, it should be ok for players to use.  If not, it should not be.  That&#039;s why eye surgeries, contact lenses, back surgeries, knee braces etc are fine but steroids, HGH, amphetamines and cocaine are not.  We are not talking only about performance enhancing here, but crime committing...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Marketing is everything.  Just check to see how many different &quot;energy&quot; drinks are there in your favorite gas stations and grocery store, which don&#039;t give you more &quot;energy&quot; than a strong cup of coffee with a sugar overdose :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get what this issue is about&#8230; here is where I draw the line:  if something is legal, it should be ok for players to use.  If not, it should not be.  That&#8217;s why eye surgeries, contact lenses, back surgeries, knee braces etc are fine but steroids, HGH, amphetamines and cocaine are not.  We are not talking only about performance enhancing here, but crime committing&#8230;</p>

<p>Marketing is everything.  Just check to see how many different &#8220;energy&#8221; drinks are there in your favorite gas stations and grocery store, which don&#8217;t give you more &#8220;energy&#8221; than a strong cup of coffee with a sugar overdose :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/29/performance-enhancing-surgery-the-next-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-1665</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The main argument I&#039;ve heard from the anti-steroid people is the negative effects on kids if their role models are using, because kids&#039; bodies can be damaged severely by steroids. I think it&#039;s a legitimate argument. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But regarding Lasik: I don&#039;t buy the &quot;keeping hallowed traditions&quot; stuff. The world changes and people figure out new and better ways to train and perform. They shouldn&#039;t be hampered by history. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or else why stop at Lasik? Should players not be allowed to get Tommy John surgery, since the older guys didn&#039;t have that option? Should players not be allowed to wear contacts, since that invention wasn&#039;t around for Babe Ruth? Are sports glasses, hydrating sports drinks, top-of-the-line equipment, etc. all questionable? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Lasik eye surgery is just fine and Denard Span is awesome (also, Justin Morneau). Interesting question, though. I could see optional surgeries getting out of hand- but if a surgery isn&#039;t to preserve health or wouldn&#039;t improve an average person&#039;s quality of life, athletes should think twice before going ahead with it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main argument I&#8217;ve heard from the anti-steroid people is the negative effects on kids if their role models are using, because kids&#8217; bodies can be damaged severely by steroids. I think it&#8217;s a legitimate argument. </p>

<p>But regarding Lasik: I don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;keeping hallowed traditions&#8221; stuff. The world changes and people figure out new and better ways to train and perform. They shouldn&#8217;t be hampered by history. </p>

<p>Or else why stop at Lasik? Should players not be allowed to get Tommy John surgery, since the older guys didn&#8217;t have that option? Should players not be allowed to wear contacts, since that invention wasn&#8217;t around for Babe Ruth? Are sports glasses, hydrating sports drinks, top-of-the-line equipment, etc. all questionable? </p>

<p>I think Lasik eye surgery is just fine and Denard Span is awesome (also, Justin Morneau). Interesting question, though. I could see optional surgeries getting out of hand- but if a surgery isn&#8217;t to preserve health or wouldn&#8217;t improve an average person&#8217;s quality of life, athletes should think twice before going ahead with it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sirsean</title>
		<link>http://firegardy.com/2009/01/29/performance-enhancing-surgery-the-next-frontier/comment-page-1/#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>sirsean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If that&#039;s the case then why would athletes take creatine? Successful marketing?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the more accurate information, but this issue isn&#039;t really about creatine itself, per se.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s the case then why would athletes take creatine? Successful marketing?</p>

<p>Thanks for the more accurate information, but this issue isn&#8217;t really about creatine itself, per se.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: thrylos98</title>
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		<dc:creator>thrylos98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually Creatine does not enhance performance and probably does not make much sense to be consumed in a baseball setting (or any setting for that matter) and here is the reason:  Creatine is a protein that is located in the muscles and nerve cells and its used to transfer energy by using body phosphates.  Here is the main point:  Your body makes creatine but needs the phosphates that are spent in the process of energy transfer.  If you drink creatine (like if you drink or eat any protein- heck you eat creatine when eating meat or fish) it will get digested into amino acids and not end up in the muscles as creatine (I wish... if that were the case diabetics would take insulin drinks instead of injections).  So it is quakish.  Phosphate adds energy (that&#039;s why the electrolyte drinks that contain phosphate)  But that effect is short term and helps replenish muscle food during and after strenuous activity not to build muscle.  Nothing like protein and hitting the gym...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Creatine does not enhance performance and probably does not make much sense to be consumed in a baseball setting (or any setting for that matter) and here is the reason:  Creatine is a protein that is located in the muscles and nerve cells and its used to transfer energy by using body phosphates.  Here is the main point:  Your body makes creatine but needs the phosphates that are spent in the process of energy transfer.  If you drink creatine (like if you drink or eat any protein- heck you eat creatine when eating meat or fish) it will get digested into amino acids and not end up in the muscles as creatine (I wish&#8230; if that were the case diabetics would take insulin drinks instead of injections).  So it is quakish.  Phosphate adds energy (that&#8217;s why the electrolyte drinks that contain phosphate)  But that effect is short term and helps replenish muscle food during and after strenuous activity not to build muscle.  Nothing like protein and hitting the gym&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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