Red Faces, Blue Faces; Wigginton and Washburn
Oh my, is Bill Smith’s face red!
When the Twins stopped looking at Ty Wigginton, the implication was that his asking price was higher than Casey Blake’s, and that the Twins didn’t value him that highly. Well, now he signed with the Orioles, for two years and six million dollars. That’s right. Less than Mike Lamb, except right handed, not a complete dipshit, and with the remote possibility of being decent; and coming off a huge offensive year.
I’m not usually one to scream “Fire!” in a crowded movie theater, but this signing is a disaster. It’s one thing to say “We don’t think Wigginton is worth $18M,” but it’s quite another to say “We don’t think he’s worth $6M.” And by the way, he absolutely is. Over the past three seasons, he’s been worth $5.6M, $5.6M, and $13.5M. I figure he’ll drop back down to somewhere in the $5-6M range in 2009 and probably a bit below that in 2010, which means the Orioles just signed a ludicrously team friendly contract. You don’t think we could have enticed him with something along the lines of “You’ll play on a contender, you’ll be protected by two of the best left handed hitters in the game, and you never have to face a left handed pitcher if you don’t want” or something along those lines? How in blazes did the Baltimore Orioles convince him to go there? And here we are, hands in pockets, letting good deals pass us by while we have money to spend.
Oh. Speaking of which, the other bit of “news” mentioned in that article is something I wasn’t planning to mention, because it seemed so stupid that nobody would even bother caring about it. A Seattle newspaper is reporting that the Twins and Mariners have been talking about a Delmon Young for Jarrod Washburn and Jeff Clement swap.
JoeC’s analysis is, well, let’s just say “interesting:”
If that’s true — and we haven’t confirmed this – perhaps the Twins had plans to spin Clement off as part of another deal. The Twins have this Mauer guy at catcher, and one of their top prospects is catcher Wilson Ramos.Given our recent history of making trades, we’d probably fail to trade Clement and release him instead. Or send him to the Red Sox for a thirty second video of Theo Epstein laughing hysterically at us. Either way, why would we want to deal for a no-field catcher whose only other defensive abilities include 1B and DH? (You know, the only other two positions that we have guys locked into, besides C.)
But he really just falls off the wagon regarding Washburn:
The Washburn part makes sense, however. The Twins tried getting him last summer. Washburn, a Wisconsin native, will make $10.35 million this season in the final year of his contract. The Mariners are trying to shed salary, so they can add Bobby Abreu or Ken Griffey, Jr., and the Twins have room to add.Oh, okay then, acquiring Washburn makes sense because:
- The Twins mistakenly tried to acquire him during last season because they really didn’t want Liriano winning games for them.
- Washburn is from Wisconsin.
- Washburn will make over $10M this season.
- The Mariners want to get rid of his contract.
- The Twins have a bit of extra money in the budget.
Wait, what’s that you said? None of those sound like benefits to the Twins? You mean the Twins are not obligated to make talentless millionaires and poorly run organizations happy? Why, where’s the goodness in your heart?! The Twins are a charity, not a baseball team!
You have got to be kidding me. Whoever started this rumor wasn’t thinking straight, and the Twins people who are “thinking” about it aren’t thinking straight either.
The Twins have the best catcher in baseball established behind the plate, and he’ll be here for two more years unless we do something smart and extend his ass. We also have a big time prospect coming up to replace him by the name of Wilson Ramos, who also has the advantage of being a bit of a power hitter. They are not going to acquire a catcher.
The Twins also have a cadre of talented young starting pitchers, and a whole set of them waiting in the minors to replace them. This is the primary strength of the organization. They have no need to pay $10M + talented players to acquire a guy who wouldn’t even be good enough to start for us.
For reference: Jarrod Washburn hasn’t been worth $10.35M since 2002, when he was with the Angels. He has basically sucked ever since. Over the last three years he’s been worth $6.9M, $7.6M, and $5.7M while getting paid $7.5M, $9.9M, and $9.9M. You simply cannot tell me that the Twins would be better off by overpaying him to lose for us?
Delmon Young still has a whole bunch of talent and a whole bunch of potential, and is just 23 years old. Is now really the time to sell low on him? I mean, it’d be a good time to buy low, but shouldn’t the Twins actually get something out of a potential deal, as opposed to just making sure it works for everyone else?
I could shout about this until I’m blue in the face. In fact, I have been for a few minutes.
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Um thank you, I was waiting for some common sense to come from somewhere! I knew I could count on FireGardy… Joe C has lost his collective marbles since having that kid, he just placates to the organization more than ever now, it’s getting quite old. Oh yeah, let’s justify trading away Young for a $11M pitcher… good job with that one!
Are we so desperate to report anything that we decide to print rumors started by Seattle about them trying to dump overpaid guys to clear salary?? Amazing…
Wigginton, we all said the same thing, if it was under $5M per year to sign him, then what’s the gamble? And now someone else gets him for $3M per year… unreal.
This team just makes less sense by the day…
I emailed sirsean about that Seattle story not once, but twice last night. Both the USS Mariner and mlbtraderumors linked to it and said it made sense for neither team. Especially the twins. He suggested we don’t write about it, but now that it seems to have grown legs, I’m glad we did. It is a dumb idea. That is all.
I figured the Strib guys wouldn’t bother with this one, given that it’s pretty obviously a pipe dream from their inferior counterpart in Seattle. Once they did, I simply had to spring into action.
I’ve heard two things mentioned on various reputable web sites in the last few minutes.
1: Both sirsean and FunBobby were offered jobs by StarTribune.com.
2: Manny Ramirez wants to come to Minnesota upon hearing about some midwestern team’s batting order and being protected by two of the best left handed hitters in the game.
If rumors are going to start, let’s at least have some good ones.
Tell me about it. Acquiring Jarrod Washburn isn’t exactly exciting. It sounded like a terrible idea last season. The Mariners will be lucky if they can give him away. He is nothing more than a salary dump, they shouldn’t expect actual talent in return.
I doubt the Star Tribune is offering anyone jobs right now.
I don’t think lineup protection matters as much to Manny as it does to someone like Wigginton; Manny is a better hitter than just about everyone except Pujols and maybe A-Rod, and Wigginton can’t really hit right handed pitching so getting tossed into a heavily left handed lineup would probably help him a lot. Too late for that, though.
Maybe Jarrod Washburn’s agent started this rumor- clearly, anyone from Seattle would be dying to get away from that toxic clubhouse. I can’t really see why the Twins would even be listening to offers like this, and I suspect they aren’t.
If the Twins listened to them, my only hope is that the Mariners opened with this ridiculous deal, and the Twins countered with “We keep Delmon, you give us Beltre. We’re taking Washburn’s retarded salary off your hands, and we don’t even need a pitcher. You can have either Bonser or Humber. Don’t get greedy you douche bags.”
Of course the Mariners would hang up and run away, complaining all the while that the Twins wouldn’t give them talent and millions of dollars while scuttling their own chances at the AL Central title.
I pursued the story because I thought we might be getting the tip of the iceberg. Good one.
Yeah, I just saw that article.
“The tip of the iceberg” was … not my analysis.