Comments on: The Luck of the Liriano http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/ Mismanaging games since 2002 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:37:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ragstoriches http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3380 Ragstoriches Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:21:33 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3380 <p>Well looks like this is now officially an issue! Question for the wizards: How do Punto/Harris compare "sabermetrically" at 3B? Not that this will have any influence on Gardy's thinking, because Nicky will get the majority of the playing time regardless of performance, but I'm inclined to believe Punto's value (miniscule as it is, in a starting capacity) is greatly diminished at 3B vs. 2B or even SS.</p> Well looks like this is now officially an issue! Question for the wizards: How do Punto/Harris compare “sabermetrically” at 3B? Not that this will have any influence on Gardy’s thinking, because Nicky will get the majority of the playing time regardless of performance, but I’m inclined to believe Punto’s value (miniscule as it is, in a starting capacity) is greatly diminished at 3B vs. 2B or even SS.

]]> By: rghrbek http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3378 rghrbek Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:29:46 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3378 <p>it went thru, may bad, as always I'm mentally challenged.</p> <p>Of course he resigns. According to Gardy "he can pick it".</p> <p>And if we get OH, well I doubt we will have him for more than one year, so LNP's our guy next year!</p> it went thru, may bad, as always I’m mentally challenged.

Of course he resigns. According to Gardy “he can pick it”.

And if we get OH, well I doubt we will have him for more than one year, so LNP’s our guy next year!

]]> By: rghrbek http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3377 rghrbek Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:27:44 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3377 <p>tried posting earlier and it didn't go thru:</p> <p>Gardy’s love for LNP knows no bounds. Instead of getting him 250/300 at bats being a super sub, a job Nick has done well in the past, he will instead, platoon him, as mentioned above with Harris (note: since he’s bats left as well, he will get 2 to 1 the at bats that Harris gets). Not to mention that he will be a defensive replacement for Harris late in games.</p> <p>On top of this, he will still be sub#1 at SS and 2nd base. He could get 450 at bats, easy, and Gardy keeps him happy and their relationship can continue to develop.</p> tried posting earlier and it didn’t go thru:

Gardy’s love for LNP knows no bounds. Instead of getting him 250/300 at bats being a super sub, a job Nick has done well in the past, he will instead, platoon him, as mentioned above with Harris (note: since he’s bats left as well, he will get 2 to 1 the at bats that Harris gets). Not to mention that he will be a defensive replacement for Harris late in games.

On top of this, he will still be sub#1 at SS and 2nd base. He could get 450 at bats, easy, and Gardy keeps him happy and their relationship can continue to develop.

]]> By: sirsean http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3376 sirsean Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:20:17 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3376 <p>If you want to get really angry, you can just think ahead to next winter, when Punto will be a free agent again.</p> <p>What are the odds he re-signs with the Twins?</p> If you want to get really angry, you can just think ahead to next winter, when Punto will be a free agent again.

What are the odds he re-signs with the Twins?

]]> By: rghrbek http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3375 rghrbek Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:18:41 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3375 <p>Gardy's love for LNP knows no bounds. Instead of getting him 250/300 at bats being a super sub, a job Nick has done well in the past, he will instead, platoon him, as mentioned above with Harris (note: since he's bats left as well, he will get 2 to 1 the at bats that Harris gets). Not to mention that he will be a defensive replacement for Harris late in games.</p> <p>On top of this, he will still be sub#1 at SS and 2nd base. He could get 450 at bats, easy, and Gardy keeps him happy and their relationship can continue to develop.</p> Gardy’s love for LNP knows no bounds. Instead of getting him 250/300 at bats being a super sub, a job Nick has done well in the past, he will instead, platoon him, as mentioned above with Harris (note: since he’s bats left as well, he will get 2 to 1 the at bats that Harris gets). Not to mention that he will be a defensive replacement for Harris late in games.

On top of this, he will still be sub#1 at SS and 2nd base. He could get 450 at bats, easy, and Gardy keeps him happy and their relationship can continue to develop.

]]> By: sirsean http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3374 sirsean Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:10:31 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3374 <p>If we sign Hudson, Punto/Harris will platoon at 3B until June or so, when Valencia gets called up.</p> <p>We'll be treading water up until that point, and all Twins fans will be complaining bitterly about various things, and then in early June the team will finally be completed, Punto & Harris will be comfortably on the bench, and we're going to rip off a 21 wins in 24 games stretch and take the division by the horns.</p> <p>In the Twins' world, the season really starts on June 1. That philosophy won't have to change unless and until the rest of the division starts putting together teams that can compete with us in something other than "size of the payroll."</p> If we sign Hudson, Punto/Harris will platoon at 3B until June or so, when Valencia gets called up.

We’ll be treading water up until that point, and all Twins fans will be complaining bitterly about various things, and then in early June the team will finally be completed, Punto & Harris will be comfortably on the bench, and we’re going to rip off a 21 wins in 24 games stretch and take the division by the horns.

In the Twins’ world, the season really starts on June 1. That philosophy won’t have to change unless and until the rest of the division starts putting together teams that can compete with us in something other than “size of the payroll.”

]]> By: Ragstoriches http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3373 Ragstoriches Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:04:07 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3373 <p>Okay, I'm going to remain calm here BUT let's be wildy optimistic for a minute and PRETEND we are going to sign Hudson. So, Hudson becomes our starting 2B. Awesome. No more Punto. MFing right, doggie. Let's say it again: no more Punto. </p> <p>BUT:</p> <p>Gardy's going to start him at 3rd, isn't he? </p> <p>Please, someone tell me (theoretically) that no no, Gardy wouldn't do that to us. Please.</p> Okay, I’m going to remain calm here BUT let’s be wildy optimistic for a minute and PRETEND we are going to sign Hudson. So, Hudson becomes our starting 2B. Awesome. No more Punto. MFing right, doggie. Let’s say it again: no more Punto.

BUT:

Gardy’s going to start him at 3rd, isn’t he?

Please, someone tell me (theoretically) that no no, Gardy wouldn’t do that to us. Please.

]]> By: sirsean http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3372 sirsean Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:56:52 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3372 <p>Oh absolutely, this deal would definitely give us a (better) chance to win some playoff games.</p> <p>You'd think that the marginal value of each additional playoff win would cause Smith to keep pushing forward. We're right on the knife's edge here, where every additional dollar we spend is highly likely to bring back much more than that in revenue with additional playoff wins.</p> Oh absolutely, this deal would definitely give us a (better) chance to win some playoff games.

You’d think that the marginal value of each additional playoff win would cause Smith to keep pushing forward. We’re right on the knife’s edge here, where every additional dollar we spend is highly likely to bring back much more than that in revenue with additional playoff wins.

]]> By: rghrbek http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3371 rghrbek Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:51:19 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3371 <p>Sirsean,</p> <p>agreed. part of being a twins fan is not getting to worked up when you really want a guy who makes all the sense in the world.</p> <p>Still, this would make us a threat, not just to win the division, but also has post season ramifications.</p> Sirsean,

agreed. part of being a twins fan is not getting to worked up when you really want a guy who makes all the sense in the world.

Still, this would make us a threat, not just to win the division, but also has post season ramifications.

]]> By: sirsean http://firegardy.com/2010/02/02/the-luck-of-the-liriano/comment-page-1/#comment-3370 sirsean Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:41:56 +0000 http://firegardy.com/?p=951#comment-3370 <p>Another thing that talks is media exposure, and the national media is convinced that the AL Central will be really "competitive" in 2010; for some reason, the Indians get a lot of credit for building a talented roster despite repeatedly and consistently disappointing results on the field. Presumably, Hudson is getting his news from one of the many sources who think the Indians aren't that far back in the Central; it's even possible that he's hearing from people who don't think the Twins are even the favorite.</p> <p>I hope Bill Smith is making the point to him that the Twins are already the best team in the division, probably by a considerable margin, and by adding Hudson would put themselves over the top and become one of the top teams in the league.</p> <p>My guess is that Smith is, instead, trying to convince Hudson that $3M > $7M.</p> <p>I really hope he signs, but I'm not going to get too worked up about it until it happens.</p> Another thing that talks is media exposure, and the national media is convinced that the AL Central will be really “competitive” in 2010; for some reason, the Indians get a lot of credit for building a talented roster despite repeatedly and consistently disappointing results on the field. Presumably, Hudson is getting his news from one of the many sources who think the Indians aren’t that far back in the Central; it’s even possible that he’s hearing from people who don’t think the Twins are even the favorite.

I hope Bill Smith is making the point to him that the Twins are already the best team in the division, probably by a considerable margin, and by adding Hudson would put themselves over the top and become one of the top teams in the league.

My guess is that Smith is, instead, trying to convince Hudson that $3M > $7M.

I really hope he signs, but I’m not going to get too worked up about it until it happens.

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